Wayland-Based Chromium Browser Released

[curaga]

Honestly, I think the major reason I'm looking forward to Wayland is the reduction in server blocking because my computer is old/slow enough that it's noticeable

Can you give some examples of what you're seeing as X server blocking?

It might not be your computer, but the known bug in X scheduling.

[TheBlackCat]

Except that it?s not happening here, so looks like it?s possible to fix it?

No, the basic architecture of X11 makes it impossible to fix without fundamental changes. Your system may be fast enough that you don't notice it, but the underlying problem is still there. And "get a faster computer" is not a good response to fundamental design flaws, not when there is an alternative that lacks those flaws.

[stqn]

and you'll be forced to explain that the display server is so bad that it's impossible to fix it...

Except that it?s not happening here, so looks like it?s possible to fix it?

[dee.]

The old man in me wants to ask: if that's supposed to be a concrete advantage for normal users, why can't those normal users concentrate on that video, but have it both playing (wasting resources) and scroll around ignoring it?

It's just embarrassing. Picture this, your windows-using friend is considering trying Linux, and you go on demonstrating your distro of choice to them... you open the browser, go on a youtube page, and what do they see? A video that doesn't stay in sync with the browser windows - now that's just unprofessional. They'll be all like "what's up with this glitchy video" and you'll be forced to explain that the display server is so bad that it's impossible to fix it...

[Daktyl198]

The old man in me wants to ask: if that's supposed to be a concrete advantage for normal users, why can't those normal users concentrate on that video, but have it both playing (wasting resources) and scroll around ignoring it?

I sometimes scroll down while the video is playing if it's a song or an informational video that I don't exactly have to watch. But I think this example is just to show an easy way to spot one of the many small issues that build into large annoyances with X11 that Wayland fixes :P

Honestly, I think the major reason I'm looking forward to Wayland is the reduction in server blocking because my computer is old/slow enough that it's noticeable

[YoungManKlaus]

The old man in me wants to ask: if that's supposed to be a concrete advantage for normal users, why can't those normal users concentrate on that video, but have it both playing (wasting resources) and scroll around ignoring it?

because who wants to stop a video just to scroll or move around the window? Also its not a matter of wasted ressources but the fundamental flaw of x11 to keep surfaces aligned like they should and this is just an _example_.

[89c51]

The old man in me wants to ask: if that's supposed to be a concrete advantage for normal users, why can't those normal users concentrate on that video, but have it both playing (wasting resources) and scroll around ignoring it?

Because they can old man.

[curaga]

The old man in me wants to ask: if that's supposed to be a concrete advantage for normal users, why can't those normal users concentrate on that video, but have it both playing (wasting resources) and scroll around ignoring it?

[V10lator]

Go watch a youtube video and try to scroll the browser page, if you want to see a concrete example of the benefits of Wayland.

That's it. I wonder why nobody talked about that earlier given we are talking about a web browser here.

The big problem with X are sub-surfaces: There are none. Now the flash player has to be a sub-surface on top of the browsers surface. As X doesn't help here at all the browser itself has to ensure the flash surface moves with the browser while you scroll the website. No matter how good the browser tries to handle this: It will always lag behind.
Wayland on the other side fully supports sub-surfaces and ensures that the flash surface moves pixel-perfect while scrolling.

So: Are there still people telling they can't see the benefits of Wayland for end users, especially with web browsers?

[stqn]

Go watch a youtube video and try to scroll the browser page, if you want to see a concrete example of the benefits of Wayland.

No problem here under Xorg (but I am using compton and the VLC plugin to play youtube videos).