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Mir Was Briefly Talked About This Week At XDC2013
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Originally posted by liam View PostSo, wayland can do more than mir, and mir is stuck with a client-side allocated mesa but itself has to use server-side?
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Originally posted by mrugiero View PostEven though I personally dislike Mir, it was stated several times that the motivation for server side allocations is on mobiles performance. And on mobile, mesa has zero or near zero relevance.
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Originally posted by liam View PostAs one of the people in the audience pointed out Wayland isn't tied to clientside allocation. They mentioned the work done on the raspberry pi to give an example.
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Originally posted by mrugiero View PostYes, I'm aware, I pointed that out in another thread, actually. This doesn't change my correction to the post I quoted: the call to use server side allocations was made thinking in improving things for platforms where mesa is not relevant.
In the mobile space they clearly are going to use the blobs (though they don't HAVE to, as open drivers for mali-400 and adreno 2xx-3xx exist, but I admit these aren't ready to replace the blobs).
The main point of my post was that wayland is able to do serverside allocation which negates an "advantage" for mir.
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Originally posted by mrugiero View PostYes, I'm aware, I pointed that out in another thread, actually. This doesn't change my correction to the post I quoted: the call to use server side allocations was made thinking in improving things for platforms where mesa is not relevant.
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Originally posted by TheBlackCat View PostSo in other words they are making life hard on their core platform on hopes that they might be able to break into a platform they currently have zero presence in? Rather than just using something that work fine on both?
Originally posted by liam View PostThey are stuck with mesa on the desktop if they want to use open drivers. Of course they could elect not to use those drivers, but they'd be the only distro to do that, to my knowledge, but, they certainly could.
In the mobile space they clearly are going to use the blobs (though they don't HAVE to, as open drivers for mali-400 and adreno 2xx-3xx exist, but I admit these aren't ready to replace the blobs).
The main point of my post was that wayland is able to do serverside allocation which negates an "advantage" for mir.
Originally posted by DDF420 View PostWhat part of "by us, for us" has anything to do with advantages
But yeah, the point is to be able to exactly control what it can do, so that's probably the perceived advantage, they probably think this way it can have exactly the features they need, which is a possibility. IMO, their needs are pretty much the same as the needs of every other DE, so it will have just around the same features any compositor on Wayland has, and if that happens then there is no advantage on the "by us, for us" approach.
On the point of your post, it wasn't clear at first, I think. Again, I'm aware Wayland can do that, and I mentioned that when I said I see no technical reasons for Mir on several threads already, so I'm not really sure what we are arguing about.Last edited by mrugiero; 27 September 2013, 11:42 AM.
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