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Last edited by intellivision; 18 September 2013, 05:20 PM.
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Originally posted by bkor View PostThe truth is out there! :P
If that weren't the case, then they would have given users an option that wasn't reliant on either systemd or consolekit.
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Originally posted by intellivision View PostI've come up with errors running Gentoo before, it should simply work without having to be dependant on systemd (as of 3.10 and 206)
Aside from above, note that GNOME 3.10 is not out. Do you mean a kernel version with 3.10? It seems to take the Gentoo packagers a lot of months before it is properly integrated and stable. It would be better to look at 3.8.
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Originally posted by intellivision View PostThe truth is that Gnome developers only want to develop for Linux/systemd and screw the rest out of the market, nothing more.
If that weren't the case, then they would have given users an option that wasn't reliant on either systemd or consolekit.
Regarding not ConsoleKit or logind. What do you mean? Be explicit. Do you know what these things do?
You claimed several things, I'm going to ask questions on each one to make it easier for you to demonstrate if you're right or not. Good luck! :P
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Originally posted by bkor View PostTurning my argument around is a poor form of discussion.
Regarding not ConsoleKit or logind. What do you mean? Be explicit. Do you know what these things do?
And I mean power management, there must be a way to implement that without having to manage separate users' and their login session information.
And why is this reliant on Linux only cgroups? There must be other ways to design a system like this that isn't bound to a single platform.
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Originally posted by intellivision View PostPoor form of discussion to you perhaps, but not to myself or the majority of users using this forum. Not my problem if you dislike it.
And I mean power management, there must be a way to implement that without having to manage separate users' and their login session information.
And why is this reliant on Linux only cgroups? There must be other ways to design a system like this that isn't bound to a single platform.
I expect KF5 to relay more in systemd too next year since it makes no sense to have 5000 hacks instead of a clean solution because some bash warriors reject the solution for some obscure reason, i recommend you read what cgroups do and how can really improve security and process reliability
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btw nobody is stopping BSD/Solaris since cgroups works similar enough to be emulated in zones/jails and dbus works in those platforms too, so if they get interested in gnome/KDE they just have to make their init system provide a compatible dbus api using their OS specific equivalent
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Originally posted by bkor View PostI said nothing about powering down the machine. I said something about suspend.
Which in the real world means: Hey, I have to change the distribution to use Gnome? I don't think so, I will change to gofuckyourselfd and use a different DE!
Less users seems to be exactly what the already damaged Gnome needs, when you see something like that.
Furthermore, I suggested reading my previous posts where I explained this already. E.g. GNOME wrote and maintained ConsoleKit. Now we requested people like you to take over development. Aside from talk, nothing has been done for 1.5+ years.
- Hey, almost all Gnome devs use systemd, so we don't care. Hm, what are those others using and why don't they care about this?
- Hey, we are only dependent on logind, that the systemd developers made it dependent on systemd is not our fault. Was they any talk to systemd upstream, explaining to them that this decreases the userbase of Gnome (not that I think they would care)? Or do you just take this as god given?
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Originally posted by Vim_User View PostWhich in the real world doesn't make that much a difference: "Hey, you want to suspend that machine when using Gnome? Sorry , but you have to change to logind. Oh, and to systemd. And when you are at it, you can also use journald and whatevertheycomeupwithd."
Which in the real world means: Hey, I have to change the distribution to use Gnome? I don't think so, I will change to gofuckyourselfd and use a different DE!
Less users seems to be exactly what the already damaged Gnome needs, when you see something like that.
Sorry, but I have the same problem that you have: I am not a coder. Yes, just for fun I looked up your last 40 posts (OK, I just read those about Gnome). All you are repeatedly saying is:
- Hey, almost all Gnome devs use systemd, so we don't care. Hm, what are those others using and why don't they care about this?
- Hey, we are only dependent on logind, that the systemd developers made it dependent on systemd is not our fault. Was they any talk to systemd upstream, explaining to them that this decreases the userbase of Gnome (not that I think they would care)? Or do you just take this as god given?
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Originally posted by jrch2k8 View Postwell i guess in some months you won't have that issue since i expect most distros and major Desktop Enviroments to use systemd
nobody is gonna miss you
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