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Intel Reverts Plans, Will Not Support Ubuntu's XMir
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Originally posted by Andrecorreia View Postfinally the called opensource devs took the mask off. opensource is only open when they want, mir is choice for canonical, but the called "opensource community" don t want. (this look stupid and hypocrite only for me?), microsoft don t need help to destroy linux desktop
There is absolutely no reason why Intel should take over the maintainership for a one-distro solution. Maybe if mir was made in a way that it could be useful to the entire community instead of just Canonical, Intel could see a reason to maintain support for it. But wait - such a display protocol already exists: Wayland!
This has nothing to do with "choice". Canonical made the choice to create their own private solution, now they have to go all the way and do the maintaining for it themselves. Why shouldn't they? If you want to do a one-distro solution that no one else can use, don't expect others to do the work of maintaining the necessary patches for it.
Heck, I can go right now code my own pageflipper and call it "Smir", and it can only be used in my "Bubuntu" distro with my "Funity" desktop environment, but then I'll demand that intel, nvidia, AMD, GTK, Qt and everyone else take up the task of maintaining support for this new standard so that my distro can function. Do you think they'd agree? Do you think they should? Or should they just tell me to do it myself if I want to use my own private solution? There's already a supported option there, Wayland, and if I want the support of the community, I'd use that. The same applies to Canonical, they don't get any special privileges, just the same as everyone else.
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I found this quote very telling:
Canonical’s Alan Pope explained the impact to us in a tweet earlier: “[This decision] just means more work for us (Canonical) to keep integrating xmir patches into x with each release/update.”
So I think Intel's move was completely appropriate. It is not their job to keep Mir working properly, it is Canonical's.Last edited by TheBlackCat; 08 September 2013, 01:22 PM.
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Originally posted by Andrecorreia View Postfinally the called opensource devs took the mask off. opensource is only open when they want, mir is choice for canonical, but the called "opensource community" don t want. (this look stupid and hypocrite only for me?), microsoft don t need help to destroy linux desktop
The source code is still there, in the commit. And, Intel, nor anyone else, is obliged to go along with Canonical choices. If the only one free to make choices is Canonical, then there is no freedom.
Canonical's been using out of tree patches since the beginning of time, so this actually just means a statement from Intel about not supporting them, nothing else. Also, it only mentions XMir, so it might as well not be about the competition Wayland/Mir, but about the half assed idea of running a DE on a compatibility layer. Supporting officially means they'll get bug reports about such a stupid idea, so the management choose not to let their devs waste their time on it.
Originally posted by Andrecorreia View Postchris willson is a boss? how much shares he have?
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Originally posted by dee. View PostIf we're talking about the reasons why Linux has such a (relatively) low share on the desktop, the reason is simple: lack of OEM preinstalls. Sure, you can order hardware from a few specialized stores - system76, ZaReason, Thinkpenguin come to mind - but besides that, if you walk into a random consumer electronics store that sells computers, chances are they're 100% windows machines. And why is that? Because of microsoft partnerships. Microsoft enforces strict monopolistic rules on their partners that penalize them for offering alternative operating systems. Microsoft penalizes OEM's for offering alternate OS's.
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Originally posted by freedam View PostThis time BO$$ is right, Ubuntu is very important for non-technical people. Canonical should consider very carefully their choices, and intel too.. who is really going to use Wayland? Don't answer "red hat", because 99,999% of RHEL installations doesn't even have a display server installed.
So even if Ubuntu has a third of the marketshare of desktop Linux, that means there will be twice as many Wayland-users than Mir-users. Do the math.
Also, what is your source for that claim about RHEL? Sounds like plain old bullshit to me.
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Originally posted by Pajn View PostThe guy who merged it in the first place IS the mantainer.
If anyone would ask anyone if they could merge it then
the person to ask would be him.
I wounder if there is a management problem inside Intel
when someone apperntly tells the mantainer what he
should and shouldn't do.
If so Intel will get big problems soon.
That is not a technical debate, it's not a issue about how you call a function inside one of your patches, it's about to make your competitor's life more easier.
If you see to the commit's message, the motivation has nothing to do with coding style or regression or whatever, the reason is about the company interest and then the management have all right to request a change of direction.
That is summarize as "who pay who for doing what".
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Originally posted by johnc View PostIt's not the 1990s anymore. This excuse held some water in the past, but no longer. You can buy a Dell with Linux. Nobody wants it. There's no market for desktop Linux.
Don't kid yourself. The average consumer doesn't even know that there's an option to buy a computer with anything other than windows. They don't know about Dell w/Ubuntu. It's not being marketed anywhere. You have to dig it up to find it. There are some online stores that offer computers with RHEL or Ubuntu, but the ratio to windows-machines is very slim.
Tizen on ultrabooks might be something that finally brings Linux to the reach of the average consumer, but that's still only a possibility for now.
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Originally posted by johnc View PostIt's not the 1990s anymore. This excuse held some water in the past, but no longer. You can buy a Dell with Linux. Nobody wants it. There's no market for desktop Linux.
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