Systemd-Logind Device Management For Wayland

[Vim_User]

To my understanding this is not the case for Gnome 3.8 and newer hence Gnome 3.8 depends on systemd on Gentoo for example.

It doesn't on Slackware.

[intellivision]

Pot calling kettle black much? Show proof that people are actively trying to hurt BSD

It doesn't work like that, the burden of proof isn't on me.

[RahulSundaram]

It doesn't work like that, the burden of proof isn't on me.

Why is that? The burden of proof is on to show that they are intentionally trying to cripple BSD which is your claim. Lennart has said that systemd depends on Linux kernel because it uses unique features of the kernel such as cgroup and he doesn't work on BSD and has no to motivation to care about BSD but hey, it is free software. So if some BSD developers want to develop equivalent features in the BSD kernels and port systemd over, they are free to do so.

[intellivision]

if some BSD developers want to develop equivalent features in the BSD kernels and port systemd over, they are free to do so.

Which as you know would not happen due to the copyleft license of systemd, but as you said it's free software.
If the Gnome team wants to isolate themselves from non-Linux systems then they are free to do so, but they'll be sacrificing marketshare as a result.
The same goes for Wayland if they feel the same.

[duby229]

What? That makes no sense. How could a bug (what bug are you even refering to here?) in systemd possibly add dependencies to Gnome? Gnome dropping support for ConsoleKit is not systemd's fault. Also systemd-logind is not intended to be used separately from systemd so it's not a "bug" if it doesn't work without systemd as PID1. The API however is stable and reimplementable and porting systemd-logind to other environments is possible, it just requires you to do some work (especially after systemd 205+).

Let me see if I can find it. I didnt really understand what I read because it was a bit over my head so I may have simply misunderstood. If I can find it I'll post the link here. It had something to do with cgroup handling getting removed from logind. Then there were some issues with gdm not working right.


edit: found it

http://my.opera.com/pacho/blog/2013/07/24/gnome-3-8-requiring-systemd-on-gentoo

it seems the problem comes down to the fact that logind can't be run by itself. it must have systemd to work.

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/275007#275007

here is what the consolekit ebuild maintainer had to say

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/274965#274965

here is a guy who claims to have gotten it to work with openrc

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/275378

[RahulSundaram]

Which as you know would not happen due to the copyleft license of systemd, but as you said it's free software. If the Gnome team wants to isolate themselves from non-Linux systems then they are free to do so, but they'll be sacrificing marketshare as a result. The same goes for Wayland if they feel the same.

Since, neither GNOME nor Wayland has a hard dependency on systemd, you don't really have a case.

[duby229]

Since, neither GNOME nor Wayland has a hard dependency on systemd, you don't really have a case.

gnome does seem to have a hard dependency on logind though, which itself wont work without systemd, sooooooo....... what's the difference?

[finalzone]

gnome does seem to have a hard dependency on logind though, which itself wont work without systemd, sooooooo....... what's the difference?

logind use on upstart by Ubuntu defeated your whole argument.

[finalzone]

Making stuff work in BSDs is the responsibility of BSD developers, nobody else is to blame for stuff not working in BSDs. Also, last time I check, Wayland only worked in linux as it depends on kernel DRM stack.

The more I read topic related about BSDs, the more it appears BSD is responsible of its own downfall for nearly twenty years to the point GNU/Linux surpassed that project long time ago.
BSD had their chance and needed a complete overhaul within the organization.

[duby229]

logind use on upstart by Ubuntu defeated your whole argument.

that's version 204. doesnt work on 205 and up. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd see for yourself.