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Originally posted by alexThunder View Posthttp://store.steampowered.com/hwsurv...tform=combined
I know, that survey is not absolute, but the evidence is still striking.
And this:
It suggests (that's not a proof) Ubuntu has the majority among distros, although not the majority of total Linux users (I don't really know, how to count in "Other").
DistroWatch suggests, that Linux Minut is ahead of Ubuntu, but you may heard of the issues with taking that site as a measure: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DistroW...e_hit_counters
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Originally posted by alexThunder View Posthttp://store.steampowered.com/hwsurv...tform=combined
I know, that survey is not absolute, but the evidence is still striking.
Originally posted by alexThunder View Post
Originally posted by alexThunder View PostDistroWatch suggests, that Linux Minut is ahead of Ubuntu, but you may heard of the issues with taking that site as a measure: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DistroW...e_hit_counters
All I'm saying is that if you're going to base your opinions on such a broad statement, you need to be able to back it up because it's completely false in this case.
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Originally posted by Sonadow View PostUbuntu takes up almost 40% of Linux-based systems in Wikimedia. If that's not the majority for both users and distributions then I don't know what is.
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Originally posted by Scimmia View PostYou need to go back and take a basic mathematics course. It's nowhere near 40%, it's ~32%, and majority specifically means more than 50%.
The "evidence" is not striking, it's meaningless. The same Steam survey also shows that the majority use Nvidia video adapters, when Intel dominates that market. Steam is specifically targeting Ubuntu, I would be shocked if they *weren't* way ahead in that survey. It also completely ignores the area where RHEL is strongest, corporate users.Last edited by Sonadow; 21 July 2013, 11:33 AM.
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Originally posted by Scimmia View PostAll I'm saying is that if you're going to base your opinions on such a broad statement, you need to be able to back it up because it's completely false in this case.
The survey accounts for gamers, and the market share of NVidia among these people is stronger than among non-gamers. These stats are anything but meaningless. You might argue, that the survey only indicates, that Ubuntu is strong amon Linux gamers, not among Linux users in general - if you want to
I also made a differentiation of majorities, please don't ignore that.
I still wonder, how I'm completely false. I explained, how all this is just evidence, not proof, but that doesn't make the numbers false. You also just explained, how these numbers aren't absolute, but not why they should be false.
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Originally posted by intellivision View PostI was going off what was released in trunk, here: https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/trunk
If what you're saying is right, I'm guessing that they haven't released the code for 0.0.6+ yet.
Originally posted by LinuxGamer View Postare you and BO$$ From the same blood line?
Originally posted by synaptix View PostThat stat for Ubuntu includes Ubuntu plus ALL direct derivatives and others of Ubuntu. Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu and even Linux Mint register as Ubuntu 64bit or Ubuntu 32bit depending on the architecture.
I'm running Xubuntu 13.04, but if I access a website the webstat logs will read my OS information as Ubuntu 13.04. Even on Steam information via client it says Ubuntu 13.04.
Originally posted by synaptix View PostThat stat for Ubuntu includes Ubuntu plus ALL direct derivatives and others of Ubuntu. Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu and even Linux Mint register as Ubuntu 64bit or Ubuntu 32bit depending on the architecture.
I'm running Xubuntu 13.04, but if I access a website the webstat logs will read my OS information as Ubuntu 13.04. Even on Steam information via client it says Ubuntu 13.04.
Originally posted by LinuxGamer View Postany one can Change wikipedia
Originally posted by Scimmia View PostThe "evidence" is not striking, it's meaningless. The same Steam survey also shows that the majority use Nvidia video adapters, when Intel dominates that market. Steam is specifically targeting Ubuntu, I would be shocked if they *weren't* way ahead in that survey. It also completely ignores the area where RHEL is strongest, corporate users.
Originally posted by Scimmia View PostYou need to go back and take a basic mathematics course. It's nowhere near 40%, it's ~32%, and majority specifically means more than 50%.
Originally posted by LinuxGamer View Posti did not call mrugiero BO$$ i called alexThunder BO$$ and said it was his Twin let me use my fall back and see if it's 0.5 i do have a Neurological Disorder it's why i don't develop any more
Originally posted by LinuxGamer View Posthmm you tell me? in fall back
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Originally posted by Scimmia View PostYou need to go back and take a basic mathematics course. It's nowhere near 40%, it's ~32%, and majority specifically means more than 50%.
A relative majority (more than the rest) in North America is called a plurality and in many other languages is called a majority. An Absolute majority (more than half) in North America is called a majority, in other languages is called Absolute Majority
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Originally posted by alexThunder View PostHow could I express my concern about this without being accused of fear mongering?
The difference is, that my concern is reasonable - you wouldn't deny that Canonical really has a big influence and that they really do some damage. Accusing me of fear mongering for seeing this as a concern seems highly unfair to me.
Canonical can do damage yes, but the worst of that damage would be unto themselves. ~ Canonical cannot sustain Ubuntu without the thousands of man-hours by developers, whom have nothing to do with Canonical (ie: not their emplyees), in the larger community. If Ubuntu disappeared tomorrow, it's not like everyone else would just stop what they are doing...
Originally posted by alexThunder View PostSo we agree on that a MS/Apple/Canonical world is not what we want. And I think the more Canonical is integrated in the community and depends on it, the less such a scenario is likely.
Originally posted by Sonadow View PostUbuntu takes up almost 40% of Linux-based systems in Wikimedia. If that's not the majority for both users and distributions then I don't know what is.
meaning 60+ out of 100 users do not use Ubuntu... So while, one can say Ubuntu have a majority when comparing distro to distro (% of users), you cannot say that the majority of *all Linux users* are using Ubuntu ~ because they aren't; that would require 51% of all users to be using Ubuntu ~ which obviously isn't the case...
I get the impression that is what was being implied, although i could be wrong...but yeah, if your just comparing % of users, per distro - then sure, Ubuntu wins - but when you just look at all users, then no, the majority of linux users aren't using Ubuntu.
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Originally posted by Sergey Shambir View PostCorrect client-side decorations implementation development time is 10-100 times bigger rather than just binding binding toolkit to yet another window and OpenGL context creation mechanism. I've spent about 1 hour to port cocos2d-x game engine to SDL library (which just creates and handles window and OpenGL context, and input). Someone should spent months to implement correct client-side decorations.
Enjoy.
All phones have integrated GPU, so operating memory always can be also videocard memory. This fact used on Android to make built-in browser, Chrome and Firefox work smoother; there are ANDROID_NATIVE_BUFFER extension in EGL that makes it possible. Also on phones client-side buffer allocation causes bigger memory consumption than server-side; Wayland developers said that wayland doesn't prohibit server-side buffer allocation, however, wayland doesn't prohibit and doesn't implement nothing, it is not display server. Weston is display server, and I see no mechanism to allocate buffer on server side with Weston.
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