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The First Benchmarks Of Unity On XMir: There's A Performance Hit
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Originally posted by spacetoilet View Postand this is why it's really bad to use Xmir for a DE
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Originally posted by dh04000 View PostI love how you've made this decision based on the results of one guy with one peice of hardware on one a forum on the internet. That's such a huge sample size. N=1 is total significant. Let's just pretend that Michael's results and that video don't count as evidence.
Michael's results are based off from old apps showing a FPS lost on old apps is really bad in Xmir vs Xorg Xmir lostLast edited by spacetoilet; 28 June 2013, 04:28 PM.
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Originally posted by GreatEmerald View PostHmm, does XMir/XWayland start just one X server, or one X server per app? Or can it do it both ways?
Originally posted by dh04000 View PostI love how you've made this decision based on the results of one guy with one peice of hardware on one a forum on the internet. That's such a huge sample size. N=1 is total significant. Let's just pretend that Michael's results and that video don't count as evidence.
Originally posted by chrisb View PostYeah, but if Canonical allow the user to install a single GPLv3 licensed app, then they have to give the user the ability to replace that app with a modified version. So they would have to remove/filter all GPLv3 software out of the Ubuntu Software Centre if they want to be able to ship a completely locked down device.
Originally posted by Ericg View PostNot necessarily. if you actually look at the architecture of XWayland and XMir you actually avoid a few expensive steps at the end vs real X. In theory, its possible for us to have slightly better performance via XMir and XWayland than Real X. But obviously an alpha-quality release won't have the optimizations and design to actually make that claim true just yet.
Originally posted by spacetoilet View PostBO$$ you really need to stop sucking off Canonical
Redhat Intel Raspberry pi Kubuntu Debian Carsten Munk Tizen Sailfish OS and any non Ubuntu Unity is backing Wayland most of the code in Mir is just a fork of Wayland Android Carsten Munk work Libhybris making it even more buggy shitty you dont know how long it's going to take to remove all the bug's form Mir it may take years do to it trying to move away form the code it's based off from and it's the most Epic Fail of the Linux World Wayland the way Canonical is going is why i jumped ship it's going to be really bad for any one Developing on Linux Canonical just Fucked all Linux Develpers Linux Gamers Linux Users do you know how hard it is going to be to get Windows Developers to look at Linux now?
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Originally posted by TheOne View PostI have a big query.
If Canonical just copy/pasted the XWayland code to make XMir then every person saying that XWayland will be faster that plain X is utterly wrong. We haven't seen any benchmarks regarding XWayland/Wayland, so if XMir is really a copy/paste effort Wayland should be similarly on the same shape.
And the same way XWayland could be faster than X for particular apps it's likely that, assuming Mir will be faster than X, XMir will be faster than X for particular apps. Whole desktops are out of scope for XMir and XWayland for common sense. There is no reason to not use X if you are going to use an X desktop, since you will be unable to load Mir or Wayland apps.
Originally posted by BO$$ View PostI'm curious about performance. Native Wayland and native Mir application. Games especially.
Originally posted by seb24 View PostStop fighting... The both project are free software with different objective. We should be happy to have a dynamic eco-system. that's it.
And we will see in the future how the 2 project will evolves.
Originally posted by seb24 View PostNo "version" history here.
If your "contribution" is in the Version 2 they have the obligation to publish it in the original licence + other sub-licence.
Originally posted by chrisb View PostSo the difference is that, with Mir, only one company could possibly make a proprietary version, whilst with Wayland, every company can make a proprietary version. Neither solution is optimal for open source, but I'm not seeing why the latter would be better.
Originally posted by chrisb View PostChanging the license of Mir won't eliminate GPLv3 software from Ubuntu Touch.
Originally posted by scottishduck View PostAgain, wrong. No plans for Mir migration until 14.04 at the earliest.
Originally posted by jrch2k8 View PostSo yes mir got coded faster because wayland + community did all the massive heavy lifting while canonical waited[without 1 freaking commit] until it was good enough for them to start and in some cases take solutions from wayland code[read their bazaar and wayland git and you will see some funny things in there]
Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post* MUCH faster development
* Supposed to get Android driver support
* A seemingly more devoted team
* A fully open source license
* Probably will be more light-weight in the end
Originally posted by chrisb View PostYou misunderstand. Unity will run on Mir. XMir is a compatibility layer that will be used to run old X11 applications that aren't written using a modern toolkit.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTM5NzM
Brief version: 13.10 will ship Mir by default, with Unity 7 running on XMir.
I wonder how do people manage to turn that into "Canonical will not ship Mir until 14.10", when it clearly says it will ship it (READ THE TITLE) in 13.10, and will use Unity 8 on 14.04, which runs natively on Mir.
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Originally posted by mangecoeur View PostAlso want to see XWayland for comparison, it should give a good indication of the comparative state of the two technologies. I suspect the fundamental techniques used in both are quite similar so I wouldn't expect there to be a significant performance difference between the two, at least not in the long run. I'd also be interested to see how gnome/kde run under XMir.
For X vs Mir vs Wayland it seems that anything QT based would be a good start since there's both QTMir and QTWayland backends (though i don't know what state the wayland one is in these days), and soon enough there should KDE on wayland to do a Unity8 vs KDE comparison (although that said i doubt many people are going to make their DE choice based on raw performance numbers).
A whole DE running on top of XMir is just a smoke in the eyes excepts for some advantages like:
1) lost in performance
2) all user forced to became bug hunters even with an official release and not some alpha/beta/RC
3) Another layer for the sake to insert another layer and then start with the propaganda "we are so fast to write code"!
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Originally posted by mrugiero View PostI wonder how do people manage to turn that into "Canonical will not ship Mir until 14.10", when it clearly says it will ship it (READ THE TITLE) in 13.10, and will use Unity 8 on 14.04, which runs natively on Mir.
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Originally posted by spacetoilet View Postit says, it is going to ship Unity 8 on 14.10.
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