Wayland does require one more Wayland-specific extension, though (albeit it could probably be implemented in software if it comes to that).
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Originally posted by alexThunder View PostWhenever asked, Nvidia said, they had no plans to support Wayland
Originally posted by alexThunder View Post
As of now, NVidia is probably developing an EGL driver because it's the future anyway, and NVidia is probably ensuring all three Mir, Wayland and SurfaceFlinger compatibility on it because atop an EGL driver all three are super easy.
Probably.
Officially, NVidia is doing/promising nothing (outside supporting X).
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Originally posted by erendorn View Post"Whenever" means "once", and this one time was in November 2010, two and a half year ago...
Originally posted by erendorn View PostAnd NVidia did not confirm that statement.
Originally posted by erendorn View PostAs of now, NVidia is probably developing an EGL driver because it's the future anyway, and NVidia is probably ensuring all three Mir, Wayland and SurfaceFlinger compatibility on it because atop an EGL driver all three are super easy.
Probably.
Officially, NVidia is doing/promising nothing (outside supporting X).
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Originally posted by alexThunder View PostWhenever asked, Nvidia said, they had no plans to support Wayland, but Canonical is working together with NVIDIA towards a more unified driver model sitting on top of EGL.
Mr. Phoronix speculated about NVidia eventually supportin Wayland, but also linked that to Ubuntu adoption.
I wonder how you came to such a twisted view.
Originally posted by alexThunder View PostAre you sure about this being a fact? If so, they were surprisingly interested in tweaking their drivers for Valves games the last months.
So NVidia fixed bugs exposed by Valve games. Big deal. NVidia fixed these bugs exposed by KDE 4.1: https://liquidat.wordpress.com/2008/...reedy-problem/
Does that mean to you that NVidia makes its money via KDE? Maybe running Valve games under KDE environments is NVidia's profit path following your logic?
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Originally posted by Awesomeness View PostI referred to the post from memory. Thanks for providing the link. To quote further: “the collaboration is investigative at this point”. So not even remotely a confirmation that NVidia is even interested in making Mir drivers.Note: This blog post outlines upcoming changes to Google Currents for Workspace users. For information on the previous deprecation of Googl...
If that helps. Although it's still no official confirmation the way you'd want, it's more likely to be real than your speculation about NVidia quietly changing their minds, isn't it?
Originally posted by Awesomeness View PostGo ahead and deny the contents of the official NVidia link I posted. NVidia does not even support the 2012’s Ubuntu LTS officially. OTOH NVidia supports the latest enterprise offerings from both Red Hat and SUSE. That's an undeniable fact provided by an official NVidia document.
Btw. do you have a vague estimation on how much more money they make with OpenCL on RHEL than they make with supporting Valve/Steam on Ubuntu?
Originally posted by Awesomeness View PostSo NVidia fixed bugs exposed by Valve games. Big deal. NVidia fixed these bugs exposed by KDE 4.1: https://liquidat.wordpress.com/2008/...reedy-problem/
Does that mean to you that NVidia makes its money via KDE? Maybe running Valve games under KDE environments is NVidia's profit path following your logic?
Originally posted by Awesomeness View PostMir developers have a reputation of lying.Last edited by alexThunder; 16 June 2013, 03:34 PM.
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Originally posted by entropy View PostIf you refer to the claims they made, I was also of the impression that they lied.
However, there's a slight chance that they're just incompetent and didn't intentionally lie.
Handset and other embedded hardware vendors have a long lasting allergy towards anything GPLv3 licensed. Therefore if Canonical succeeds in making Mir an accepted industry standard, everybody not interested in following the GPLv3 must pay Canonical money for a commercial license, especially if Mir?s GPLv3 would leak copyleft licensing into drivers.
Wayland OTOH is absolutely free for anybody to make anything ? incl. proprietary variants. That's a tragedy from Canonical?s POV because Canonical is desperate to finally make a proper profit.
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Originally posted by alexThunder View PostThey took back most of their claims about Wayland.
Although it's still no official confirmation the way you'd want, it's more likely to be real than your speculation about NVidia quietly changing their minds, isn't it?They didn't take back what they said about their cooperation with NVidia (and apparently AMD) - neither did one of these companies.We're talking with NVIDIA and AMD to get support for running Mir on their proprietary drivers, and providing an interface for proprietary drivers in general.
Canonical: Will you do drivers for Mir?
Nvidia: No.
Canonical: Oh, come on, do it.
Nvidia: No, now leave us alone.
Canonical: AMD, will you do it?
AMD: Are you kidding, we can't even keep up with the Xorg drivers, go away.
See, they are talking about it. "We are talking with them" has about the same amount of information as "We are not planning" or similar phrases: Zero.Last edited by Vim_User; 16 June 2013, 03:52 PM.
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Originally posted by Vim_User View PostThat doesn't make them less liars (as long as they aren't just incompetent, as previously mentioned).
Originally posted by Vim_User View PostI don't see your point. There is no confirmed cooperation between Canonical and Nvidia or AMD.
My point was, that this is probably more real, than the complete opposite/NVidia already directly working on Wayland support.
Originally posted by Vim_User View PostAll that the post from Christopher Halse Rogers you have linked to says is Let us imagine one possibility how that may look like:
Canonical: Will you do drivers for Mir?
Nvidia: No.
Canonical: Oh, come on, do it.
Nvidia: No, now leave us alone.
Canonical: AMD, will you do it?
AMD: Are you kidding, we can't even keep up with the Xorg drivers, go away.
See, they are talking about it. "We are talking with them" has about the same amount of information as "We are not planning" or similar phrases: Zero.
Originally posted by Awesomeness View PostI wrote it several times already over the past few months but to this day I'm still convinced that Mir is driven by the corporate goal to make Canonical the exclusive entity to grand proprietary licenses to vendors.
Handset and other embedded hardware vendors have a long lasting allergy towards anything GPLv3 licensed. Therefore if Canonical succeeds in making Mir an accepted industry standard, everybody not interested in following the GPLv3 must pay Canonical money for a commercial license, especially if Mir’s GPLv3 would leak copyleft licensing into drivers.
Wayland OTOH is absolutely free for anybody to make anything – incl. proprietary variants. That's a tragedy from Canonical’s POV because Canonical is desperate to finally make a proper profit.Last edited by alexThunder; 16 June 2013, 04:00 PM.
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