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Originally posted by dee. View Post- Mir is unnecessary, it doesn't do anything they couldn't do with Wayland
- Mir is inferior, Canonical does not have the knowhow to create a display server that would be near the quality of Wayland
- Mir is controlled by a single entity, Canonical, instead of being developed by an active ecosystem in a distro-agnostic way (unlike Wayland)
Are you saying that any project controlled by a single entity inherently cannot be developed in a "distro-agnostic" way or is this just specific to Mir?
If the latter is the case, what specifically about Mir prevents it from being used in another Linux distribution?
- Mir will not be ready before Wayland
- Mir does not have the support of any of the toolkits, any other distro, or basically anyone except Canonical (unlike Wayland)
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Originally posted by jayrulez View PostLinux Mint is unnecessary, it doesn't do anything they couldn't do with [INSERT DISTRO NAME HERE].
FUD. Creating a display server is not rocket science.
More FUD.
Are you saying that any project controlled by a single entity inherently cannot be developed in a "distro-agnostic" way or is this just specific to Mir?
Furthermore, no other distro or any other company seems to have any interest whatsoever in Mir. And for good reason, since Canonical has no interest in developing it in such a way that would benefit the entire ecosystem. There's a reason why no other distro uses Unity, despite it being available as open source. Canonical doesn't care about compatibility or interoperability with others, they're only interested in building a wall between themselves and other distros.
If the latter is the case, what specifically about Mir prevents it from being used in another Linux distribution?
May I use your future gazing crystal ball? I would love to see next week's lotto numbers.
The majority of distros are pointless duplications. Many toolkits are used only by a small niche and do not matter in the grand scheme of things. Basically, the only toolkits that may matter to Ubuntu in the future are Qt, GTK(this one is iffy) and maybe EFL. Canonical already has a QPA plugin for Qt and there is no conceivable reason why it won't be accepted upstream (as you like to point out is the case). If GTK matters at all then Canonical will do the work to port GTK to Mir. EFL might not even matter to Canonical.
Your words also betray exactly the kind of attitude that Canonical promotes these days: Other distros don't matter. They want to be the MacOS of the Linux world, instead of investing in interoperability and a healthy ecosystem that would benefit desktop Linux as a whole (and ultimately also Canonical by extension), they're doing the opposite and building walls between themselves and other distros. Again, very shortsighted.
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Originally posted by jayrulez View PostAre you saying that any project controlled by a single entity inherently cannot be developed in a "distro-agnostic" way or is this just specific to Mir?
If the latter is the case, what specifically about Mir prevents it from being used in another Linux distribution?
The majority of distros are pointless duplications.
Many toolkits are used only by a small niche and do not matter in the grand scheme of things. Basically, the only toolkits that may matter to Ubuntu in the future are Qt, GTK(this one is iffy) and maybe EFL.
Canonical already has a QPA plugin for Qt and there is no conceivable reason why it won't be accepted upstream (as you like to point out is the case).
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Originally posted by Andrecorreia View Postim the troll? lolor a wayland who never ready to use
money is everything in the world, look for redhat, only cares about money( but never say that ofc)
Edit: "We've all got a little [Troll] in us."Last edited by Nobu; 12 May 2013, 04:33 PM.
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Originally posted by BO$$ View PostMir isn't unnecessary if Canonical wants to build it. It's their company so they can create whatever they like.
Mir is inferior just because you want to think of it that way.
It's good that it's controlled by a single entity, it means that it will do what they want it to do and that it will fit their needs.
Even if it won't be ready before wayland they can still push for it and when it will be ready since Ubuntu == Linux.... Wayland will fall aside.
However Ubuntu is seemingly no longer interested in being a Real Linux distro, because it is setting itself apart in a way that is incompatible with the rest of ecosystem. Also, you're again showing the sociopathic attitude which Canonical promotes, which goes against all the ideals of the open source software which they built their OS on.
The more likely scenario is: Mir will not be ready on time. Canonical devs are unable to get it working well enough for the next LTS release. Meanwhile, Wayland will already be in use in the bleeding-edge distros like Fedora. Ubuntu will be forced to choose, either forget Mir and go with Wayland like the real distros (smart choice), or try pushing an unfinished, buggy product on the users, alienating people away from Ubuntu (stupid choice).
Other toolkits will play along nicely don't you worry about that.
What you fail to understand is that there is no linux for the normal user except Ubuntu. Arch and other BS don't exist. Maybe you use them and think they are popular but they are not. Ubuntu gets pushed preinstalled on laptops and it's adoption rate will go up. Canonical is right to want more control because you can't trust a bunch of devs on the internet to have the best user's interest. If you had a corporation you would do the same. Control is very good when you want to take linux from 1% to more. Control is exactly what they need.
What you fail to realize is that the rest of the world is moving away from centralized control schemes. The advantage of open source is that it's not under the control of any central authority. That is why windows and other proprietary OS's are losing ground, why Linux is becoming more and more popular. It is very shortsighted for Canonical to throw away the one thing that is trending like hotcakes right now. You fail to understand that, because you're a follower. You need that shiny SteveJobsian prophet showing the way, leading the troops to glory.
Also, I'd like to know who are the "bunch of devs on the internet". I wasn't aware that anyone actually lived on the internet?Last edited by dee.; 12 May 2013, 05:25 PM.
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BTW, has the Mir backend been merged to mesa?
Back in March a Canonical employee got no reply following his initial patch.
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