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Originally posted by agd5f View PostRegardless of whether you prefer wayland or mir, both are currently lacking a certain amount of what some would call essential functionality in comparison to X. Off the top of my head:
- Multi-GPU support
- Hybrid laptop (PowerXpress, Optimus) support
- modeswitching API
- multi-display API
These are obviously not insurmountable, but still a lot of work. Just something to keep in mind.
Hybrid laptops mostly fall under the same banner.
Modeswitching isn't something we want in core protocol, exposed to clients. A special-purpose display configuration API would be useful, but in lieu of what most clients use it for, we've got a fullscreening API, which allows clients to request their surfaces to be displayed fullscreen, with the compositor choosing the best method. This also allows for things like falling back to stretch blits if required.
We support multiple outputs every bit as well as we do single outputs. (Ditto input - there's no singleton path there either.)
It is definitely a lot of work and tedious implementation, but certainly there's nothing in the protocol which would stand in our way.
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Originally posted by BO$$ View PostYeah Canonical sucks I know. Need I remember you that if there was no Ubuntu and all you had was Arch and that Slackware shit or fedora linux would still only be on servers? They actually did a lot for linux. In fact I know people, non-techies, who wouldn't touch linux, but they use Ubuntu for browsing and basic stuff that they do. Why? Cause they installed Ubuntu and it worked for them. Ubuntu is a noob friendly distro and it's a great way to convince people to try linux. For that in itself you should thank Canonical. Valve is now coming to Ubuntu, not to arch, and if there wasn't Ubuntu we probably wouldn't have had Steam on linux right now. They made linux more popular and now corporations turn their attention to desktop linux. That is a great thing. They already changed desktop linux and they will only continue to change it more. They realize how stupid and arrogant these so called community leaders are and how unfocused on usability they are and take charge and do things for the end user. If that means writing their own desktop server so be it. It takes balls not to compromise and strike out on your own, but you wouldn't know about it.
a) They said windows8 is not what they expected, which sounds bs
b) They want their own console and more money, so yeah they use linux and that's not the bad thing, atleast they are honest and not faggots like canonical people who "accidentally" post bs on their blogs.
And releasing .DEB package and calling it ubuntu only package, makes no fing sense and normal linux users know it. It's just executable files/libraries/ whatever packaged as .deb and that's all. And it is repackaged same day it's released. But yeah they released it .deb because ubuntu is the most popular among noobs and is repackaged debian...
Balls eh? If they had balls they would helped linux to move on. Check their contributions, u call it balls? You are mentally disabled.
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Originally posted by BO$$ View PostOf course windows remained and remains superior but Ubuntu was good also
I prefer theidiots who can code
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Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
On the other hand Mir is witchcraft at this point and only backed by canonical and probably only will be supported by unity for a while since i seriously doubt canonical can keep up with out of tree patches for Qt/Gtk/Efl/Kde/Gnome/e17/etc. Actually i suspect in the end Mir will be for mobile ubuntu only and all desktop distros including ubuntu will support wayland because i suspect they will go the android way with ubuntu mobile and use an unity sdk for mobile apps with Qml and for some reason i suspect Mono with Qt bindings instead of C++ to try to grab many developers fast and fill their software store ASAP but prolly it will not support linux desktop apps easily at least.
So Mir is probably a need for canonical to be able to dual license[GPL for community / closed source + DRM for actual phone makers] and link with SoC blobs drivers and have something workable fast enough to interest carriers and manufacturers in ubuntu mobile as another android plataform like but without google in your neck ofc with a store of ubuntu specific apps and i belive mark wanna make this mobile apps available in the ubuntu desktop store[mac/ios like] and for this wayland or Mir work fine enough and be easily abstracted in a lower layer[since in the desktop prolly they can use the FOSS version of mir or wayland freely]
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Originally posted by BO$$ View PostNobody gives a flying fuck about your community. Most users never find out such community exists.
Originally posted by BO$$ View PostThe community that you love so much is basically made out of idiots who can code. They do not have a direction except what code they want to write for the next month.
Originally posted by BO$$ View PostGnome 3 became the shit it was because there was no one leading the programmers. That is the problem, programmers, most of them, aren't visionaries, and don't understand the grandma wanting to use her computer. And they don't care cause they can show of with their hax000r skilzzzz in the terminal and don't understand that most people hate using the damn terminal.
Although, I do personally admit I have no idea why anyone would have that large a revulsion to using the terminal. That said, you have not needed to use it in a long time. Linux administration works great (and for me often better) with the terminal sure, but then when was your grandma expected to do that? The only reason they do not do that on Windows is it comes pre-configured on her computer (or her grandkids do it).
Originally posted by BO$$ View PostEveryone can contribute? Sure, and it ends up a mess. Direction, that is what Canonical is pushing. And, if executed right, it can finally bring linux to the masses. There is no personality cult unless you consider Bill Gates a personality cult for imposing the direction to Microsoft. Sometimes a good leader can show people the way in a better way than just having a trillion programmers each doing his thing and hoping that everything will end up a good user experience somehow...
Originally posted by BO$$ View PostThe freedom of linux is the freedom to be mediocre since that's where it's at right now. Most uncool things that are actually necessary don't get done since programmers only want to work on cool haxo0or kernel low level shit to show off.
Originally posted by BO$$ View PostI was just looking around for a laptop on some online hardware shops and was pleasantly surprised to see quite a few of them that sported Ubuntu as the default instead of Windows. You're considering marketing to be selling snake oil when actually marketing is very good if you want to get your program noticed. Even if all that Canonical does is just marketing, that is good since nobody bothers to promote linux to the end user.
I actually think that Canonical should have opened up a hardware business selling specialty high-end Ubuntu powered workstations and laptops, where things would "just work" as they would have full control of the hardware. Just setup a customized LTS release and ship. Instead they try to make all of these deals with other hardware vendors and seem to repeatedly fall flat on their face, as they have considerably less pull than Microsoft on these same hardware vendors.
Originally posted by BO$$ View PostCompared to windows. Always compared to windows.
Originally posted by BO$$ View PostAnd I do not say that everything was done by Canonical. But they pushed for it even if others were the ones that actually were convinced and did the actual work. Again, vision works. Still Ubuntu remains the easiest distro to get it to work (including Mint which is based on Ubuntu). That in itself says all that you need to know about Shuttleworth. He actually cares about user experience. I don't agree with his Unity interface but people seem to like it. Most aren't power users freaking for more control over their system.
Originally posted by BO$$ View PostI don't agree with his Unity interface but people seem to like it.Last edited by Hamish Wilson; 14 March 2013, 12:57 PM.
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Originally posted by BO$$ View PostIn fact the more I look at online stores in my country (Romania) the more I see that Ubuntu is quite well represented. There are a lot of laptops that come with Ubuntu by default or Windows 8. From well known vendors not no names. I think Canonical's push to default OS for laptops is actually working.
Windows since windows xp is pretty good. Back in 2001 there was no equivalent to it in the linux world in terms of user experience. Come to think about it, a lot of windows xp features haven't been surpassed even to this day by linux. A great example: games.Last edited by moilami; 14 March 2013, 01:23 PM.
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