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Originally posted by kraftman View PostYou've got to be kidding. Kubuntu is much better distribution. Ubuntu doesn't even provide kernel headers, so nvidia graphic drivers won't work! You have to install headers manually.. It's so dumb.
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Originally posted by e8hffff View PostSo Martin Gr??lin thinks he owns Kubuntu or KDE based Ubuntu. Is this a case of tall poppy-syndrome of people not liking Mark's success?
Ubuntu is kicking butt. Just accept it, it's quality and vision that others are lacking.
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Originally posted by e8hffff View PostSo Martin Gr??lin thinks he owns Kubuntu or KDE based Ubuntu. Is this a case of tall poppy-syndrome of people not liking Mark's success?
Ubuntu is kicking butt. Just accept it, it's quality and vision that others are lacking.
I really think Marks blog was kinda nasty..
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Originally posted by e8hffff View PostThis is what I was trying to tell everyone. The future is mobile devices, even though Desktops will always be around. Microsoft knows this and is spending billions on advertising to make a success of their Surface Tablets, but are failing. If Microsoft don't make it they are screwed as Google and Apple will continue to dominate. Canonical is simply doing what's needed to be in the front pack leading the computer scene. If they don't do this manoeuvre then they are trapping themselves to the Desktop. Other Distros will fall away as they become less relative to User needs.
And even in mobile space, Sailfish looks to be in a far better position than Ubuntu, anyway.
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Originally posted by Kite View PostExplain why you think an Nvidia driver will support both Mir and Wayland. This, I think, is central to the opinion you've taken up; if this were the case, of course, then Wayland and Mir could easily coexist. Not having Canonical's support for Wayland certainly is not helpful, but it does not otherwise harm Wayland. If this is not the case, then Wayland and Mir are in direct competition with each other for driver support, and the introduction of Mir duplicates the expense of developing Linux drivers for Nvidia. They then either bear twice the expense or take sides, which is a death knell for the other (unless AMD picks it up, and then we have a situation where we have GPU-specific distros; not ideal). Furthermore, Nvidia seems more likely to support Wayland, given the Optimus issues that copyleft licensing has caused them. And Intel provided much of the development force behind Wayland, so I hardly see them deciding to put a bunch of resources into developing a driver for Mir.
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Originally posted by Luke_Wolf View PostI'm actually going to assume he's a delusional academic (come to think of it, isn't that statement redundant?) like the other one I was arguing with over Object Oriented Programming, who thinks that math solves everything and forgets that engineering has a long and ... entertaining... past of failures before things get to the point where you can just pop out a bridge or a building. The other one was delusional enough to believe that we got sending people into space right in 1. Which if you know anything about the history of space travel... well you're busting a gut in laughter right now, or maybe crying if you had relatives involved.. Hell we weren't even able to get it right again today with the constellation project which resulted in that all being acceded to corporations..
On topic: I really don't think there needs to be so many angry people concerning Mir. Regardless of intentions, I find comfort that there are mutliple avenues being taken to solve a similar problem.
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Originally posted by GreatEmerald View PostEven if this was the case... Why would we give a damn? I'm using a desktop. And I will continue using a desktop. If Mir was the best thing since sliced bread for mobile devices, it still wouldn't matter in the slightest if it did nothing on the desktop.
And even in mobile space, Sailfish looks to be in a far better position than Ubuntu, anyway.
And even in desktop space, Ubuntu looks to be in a far better position than <Insert random Linux distro here>, anyway.
See what I did there?
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Originally posted by jayrulez View PostEven if this was the case... Why would we give a damn? I'm using a tablet. And I will continue using a tablet. If Wayland/X was the best thing since sliced bread for the desktop devices, it still wouldn't matter in the slightest if it did nothing on mobile.
And even in desktop space, Ubuntu looks to be in a far better position than <Insert random Linux distro here>, anyway.
See what I did there?
Osx already is a very good working modern desktop unix system. Without the community part I don't see the point with Canonical over Apple.
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Originally posted by Akka View PostAnd they are in a worse position relative Apple with osx. Osx is also one of this semi open system. Even Google with chrom, android whatever is probably in a better position relative Canonical (on the desktop, on tablet and phones the comparison is silly.
Osx already is a very good working modern desktop unix system. Without the community part I don't see the point with Canonical over Apple.
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