A Note To Canonical: "Don't Piss On Wayland"

[Togga]

So asking people to boycott is the same as being an extremely violent organized crime syndicate? You are not helping your case.

I making myself perfectly clear, you are over-interpreting my post with something that were never intended (strawman). The obvious point you now disregard is, as I said, "... as if the community were an organisation that should punish Canonical for lacking trust.". Business areas and methods used may of course differ, but that obvious comparing Cosa Nostra with Wayland right?

[dee.]

Technically both Apple and Microsoft contribute much more code to the Linux ecosystem than Canonical does. Microsoft is a significant contributor to the Linux kernel, and Apple supports key software stacks like CUPS and Webkit, both of which are used extensively in Linux.

I wouldn't say significant - they contributed some more code when that hyper-v thing happened but nowdays very little. And Apple only contributes to Webkit only because it's used in Safari, and it's not a Linux component per se, only some browsers use it.

[garegin]

don't forget that apple was a significant contributor to gcc and now clang.
ps. this is off topic, but, does anyone know if osx is built using gcc or clang and when they made the switch?

[TheBlackCat]

They don't play nice with the ecosystem, they take advantage of other's work but don't give anything back. It's no wonder that so many people are pissed at Canonical for their behaviour. We all expect things like this from Mapplesoft, but Linux people should know better.

Technically both Apple and Microsoft contribute much more code to the Linux ecosystem than Canonical does. Microsoft is a significant contributor to the Linux kernel, and Apple supports key software stacks like CUPS and Webkit, both of which are used extensively in Linux.

[dee.]

In my opinion not very nice climate of discussion and not really a place where you want to put any creative efforts.

And Canonical's is? The one where they are closing down the development and are ceasing to accept community patches or contributions? Doing everything behind closed doors in some kind of skunkworks team?

What Canonical did was stab the community in the back. They also made a very dumb move. They ignore standards that everyone else has agreed upon just for the sake of being different, they want to make it so that software written for Ubuntu will not be compatible with other distros. They're seeking a competitive advantage with questionable means. They don't play nice with the ecosystem, they take advantage of other's work but don't give anything back. It's no wonder that so many people are pissed at Canonical for their behaviour. We all expect things like this from Mapplesoft, but Linux people should know better.

[TheBlackCat]

My Mafia statement was a analogy, interpreting comments like this:

So asking people to boycott is the same as being an extremely violent organized crime syndicate? You are not helping your case.

The response I got was directly in the line (or worse) with the above comments trying to connect me with faschism, always with a bullying touch with wording like "moronic" and "a joke".

In response to your equating peaceful disagreement with a violent organized crime syndicate, and the resulting implication that your view of "freedom" does not include freedom of speech.

In my opinion not very nice climate of discussion and not really a place where you want to put any creative efforts.

Again, a climate solely and completely created by you with your opening remarks.

[Togga]

I am sure the feeling is mutual. Generally speaking, comparing one side of a disagreement to an extremely violent organized crime syndicate is not a great way to start a friendly discussion.

My Mafia statement was a analogy, interpreting comments like this:

I really hope, that everybody(except canonical), will boycott this "mir" shit thing.
Michael you have contacts with Valve, can you ask them what they think about it.

Canonical has fucked it up this time. They're losing all the trust they still had from the FLOSS community.

... as if the community were an organisation that should punish Canonical for lacking trust.

I have never questioned peoples right to speak or insulted anyone in person. The response I got was directly in the line (or worse) with the above comments trying to connect me with faschism, always with a bullying touch with wording like "moronic" and "a joke".

In my opinion not very nice climate of discussion and not really a place where you want to put any creative efforts.

[TheBlackCat]

Nice bullying and harassment, constantly proving my point. I'm a developer myself and i'm very happy not to be part in your "community". Avoiding Wayland seems like a good start to avoid bullys. Technical issues can always be solved in products, but this "community" you represent is just insane.

I am sure the feeling is mutual. Generally speaking, comparing one side of a disagreement to an extremely violent organized crime syndicate is not a great way to start a friendly discussion.

[Togga]

Strawman argument= an answer to your accusation about the "mafia of foss"?

Stating the obvious, that community projects and developers do not make any move against Canonical other than expressing their dislike, needs to be made by a "head of the community"?

Be thankful i am not looking for a job, for if i did you would have already lost yours...

What a joke...

Stating that "isn't going to make any move against Mir" is a promise that can only be made if you're in control.

Nice bullying and harassment, constantly proving my point. I'm a developer myself and i'm very happy not to be part in your "community". Avoiding Wayland seems like a good start to avoid bullys. Technical issues can always be solved in products, but this "community" you represent is just insane.

[TemplarGR]

I do not follow this logic. Is this statement using the "community definition" of the word moronic? Reference please.
And now strawman arguments on a completely different topic...
Making this assurance you must be the head of "the community".
Amazing conclusion. Are you looking for job?

Strawman argument= an answer to your accusation about the "mafia of foss"?

Stating the obvious, that community projects and developers do not make any move against Canonical other than expressing their dislike, needs to be made by a "head of the community"?

Be thankful i am not looking for a job, for if i did you would have already lost yours...

What a joke...