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Last edited by strcat; 05 March 2013, 08:27 AM.
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Originally posted by BO$$ View PostWanna bet that Mir will be released sooner than wayland? And that it will be incorporated in a linux distro (Ubuntu) faster than wayland? And that more users will use Mir than Wayland just because Ubuntu will use it and Ubuntu is the most popular distro? As I said before, Intel is just desperate since they lose everything to ARM in the smartphone space. That is why they finance wayland for now. They hope that it will make it easier for them to move into the mobile space and even make them sell a chip or two.
Also wayland and weston are in the official archlinux repos. They also enabled the gtk wayland backend in archlinux.
They are still waiting for an official qt5-qtwayland release to also enable qt5 support on wayland.
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Originally posted by Sverro2 View PostNow they are gonna change that, and you're still not happy
Originally posted by Pawlerson View PostAnd even with X Ubuntu is way faster than OS X. Furthermore, Ubuntu is using Linux kernel rather some crap and it seems you're an only one who doesn't see Apple's OS X will be dead in the near future.
I can't see how this would happen.
Never forget workstation users. If someone did, he/she will be missing in the so-called "Post-PC" age.
Apple clearly knows about this while MS seems not.
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Originally posted by BO$$ View PostWanna bet that Mir will be released sooner than wayland? And that it will be incorporated in a linux distro (Ubuntu) faster than wayland? And that more users will use Mir than Wayland just because Ubuntu will use it and Ubuntu is the most popular distro? As I said before, Intel is just desperate since they lose everything to ARM in the smartphone space. That is why they finance wayland for now. They hope that it will make it easier for them to move into the mobile space and even make them sell a chip or two.
Nice shoot ARM! Please continue like this and you can compete with Xeon in your next architecture.
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Originally posted by BO$$ View PostWanna bet that Mir will be released sooner than wayland? And that it will be incorporated in a linux distro (Ubuntu) faster than wayland? And that more users will use Mir than Wayland just because Ubuntu will use it and Ubuntu is the most popular distro? As I said before, Intel is just desperate since they lose everything to ARM in the smartphone space. That is why they finance wayland for now. They hope that it will make it easier for them to move into the mobile space and even make them sell a chip or two.
Even on the desktop intel still has no real competition, apart from AMD which they can keep in line because AMD uses intel's arch. This will likely stay this way at least until ARMv8. (neat trivia: there are already 64-bit ARMv8 CPUs on the market, but only for servers and only one manufacturer makes them).
So, my dear Shuttleworth fanboi, intel has nothing to be desperate about (for now). And they sure as hell have more money and resources than Canonical.
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The NIH cartel has spoken.
How amusing.
It is always the same story isn't it. Whenever anyone else makes more noise than the usual suspects, they have to be pounced. One could cynically call them the NIH cartel. They have the sole monopoly on NIHing anything, and are the only ones allowed to make big statements and make noise, and big promises they cannot hold. All others will be silenced and eliminated
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double bullshit
...and it couldn't end without Poettering being a douche bag, taking a shit unto one of the greatest space constructions ever made just for having the same name: calling it a "space toilet" and implying, that deorbiting it into ocean somehow were a failure (someone, please, tell that dipshit, that this is what's always done to obsolete Earth-orbiting devices).
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Originally posted by johnc View PostYup. The writing was on the wall a year or two ago.
MS shot itself in the foot with Win8 but the Linux community blew off all its arms and legs in the meantime.
But as long as windows experience is garbage Linux Desktop still has a chance. And I support Canonical in their attempt to be kinda like Apple, an enterprise, to partner up with manufacturers of hardware and big software companies. Because that is the only way for Linux Desktop to grow out of just us who are big fans to more people.
Linux Desktop lacks proprietary professional software, which will come with more standardized stack and corporate backing.
Because right now, if you are game developer/gamer, Linux is not for you. If you are professional in audio/video industry, Linux is not for you. If you are ______ professional, relying on professional corporate proprietary software to do your work, Linux is not for you. Don't slap around with Wine! Wine can only do so much. Running VM? Why would you RUN VM on machine, where most of your time you spend in VM itself?
Notice how I am only referring to GNU/Linux for Desktop experience here, which is the most problematic area right now. Server space for instance is clear win for GNU/Linux, Id never ever want to use osx or microsoft crap for that.
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Originally posted by 89c51 View PostFrom what i understand -from the comments of many seasoned devs- they created something that is quite similar to WL but different enough to be incompatible with the whole stack for reasons that dont hold any water. Plus they did not even talked privately to any WL devs before they start it in order to see if WL could fit their usecases.
Someone wouldn't describe the above as smart would he?
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Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View PostBut that does not change the fact that what they are doing is likely to be destructive. And just because someone has the right to does not give them the right not to be criticized for it. So can we drop this line now?
RedHat should never have published open source software if they expected to dictate how the source code is used. Various BSD people accepted that a long time ago, which is why they make no attempt to dictate how their software is used. On the other hand, Redhat and their supporters seem to have mistaken the GPL as a means to establish their company as the Microsoft of open source, but things do not work that way. RedHat has praised the benefits of open source software for years. Now that others are following suit, it is time to accept that no organization can has exert monopoly control over how open source software is developed and used.
With that said, those that want a monoculture to exist in open source software should establish it through merit and not petty harassment.
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