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Originally posted by DarkCloud View PostI am more excited by Sailfish then anything Ubuntu does. Not sure what SailFish plans to use (maybe somebody can chime in as to what they are doing) for their display. It would be in Canonicals best interest to work with Sailfish and here are a few:
1) Meego based - ok Meego is almost a four letter word, but it got started and ended with thousands of people working on it. It was designed by a company who knew a few things about making phones Nokia (note I used past tense) .
2) I am sure Sailfish is building its own set of QML widgets (buttons, containers, etc), why invent yet another one. I don't think you want QML to be your highest common denominator as every app is going to look different and you have zero code reuse for creating buttons you need some kind of QML widget set and theme.
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Originally posted by daniels View Post... do you even see what you write?
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Originally posted by zanny View PostWait, what does this have to do with phone companies? Mir is harming the legitimacy of the GNU/Linux platform as a whole like this, because it means either gpu manufacturers support both Wayland and Mir, in addition to X (Nvidia has way too much invested in CUDA to let X support depreciate), or they just continue providing lackluster or no support at all, or they target only Mir and leave everyone else in the dirt.
The actual experience shouldn't be any different between them. The conflict is between those that write the toolkits, sdl, GUI apps using low level primitives, etc. Mir is going to be Canonical developed and not an open development and not be open to outside contribution, and if it takes off, it fucks over Linux hardcore because then driver manufacturers think supporting Mir is good enough, and we lose a decades worth of momentum in getting realistic X support (and later on Wayland).
What does CUDA have to do with X?
Their compute GPGPUs (Tesla, I think) don't even support displays, I believe.
BTW, Mir will be open to outside contribution according to Ancell, you just have to sign the CLA.
Lastly, I would be surprised if Mir goes anywhere anytime soon. From what the X/Wayland devs have said, it seems that Canonical don't have the knowledge to do this (citing misunderstandings of core X and Wayland capabilities...event compression was one that I recall, in particular). This just reminds me of an insightful comment at itwire (I believe ninez linked to the OP). It said something along the lines of: why pay a marketing company for their engineering skills?
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Originally posted by DarkCloud View PostI am more excited by Sailfish then anything Ubuntu does. Not sure what SailFish plans to use (maybe somebody can chime in as to what they are doing) for their display. It would be in Canonicals best interest to work with Sailfish and here are a few:
1) Meego based - ok Meego is almost a four letter word, but it got started and ended with thousands of people working on it. It was designed by a company who knew a few things about making phones Nokia (note I used past tense) .
2) I am sure Sailfish is building its own set of QML widgets (buttons, containers, etc), why invent yet another one. I don't think you want QML to be your highest common denominator as every app is going to look different and you have zero code reuse for creating buttons you need some kind of QML widget set and theme.
I think Ubuntu will be relegated to the sidelines,as I am not sure if carriers want or trust Canonical. Carriers are very very critical of what goes on their network. If Ubuntu desktop was a phone OS, it would not pass the first test of being acceptable for a Carrier. (RIM has been wating months to get their BB10 phones certified for US carriers and they know a thing or two about making phones) . Besides this, can Cannonical can deliever on the goods? I mean they are good at giving you icons and providng really ugly themes, but beneath that what have they delieved on. I recall two years ago they said they were going to create TV's. Anybody seen a TV running Ubuntu ?
Ubuntu phones are DOA
FFOS, OTOH, offers something that IS unique, and, is also the only one to see serious levels of commitment from OEMs (it's also a very young project, if you consider that Sailfish has been in development since Maemo).
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I expected this
Well, almost.
- Ubuntu started looking at Wayland for phone purposes, but realized their only push with closed-source drivers is toward Android compat, which Wayland can't have.
- As Ubuntu played with Wayland, they had all kinds of things they wanted to change & couldn't (Ex: Server-side decorations).
- The result: Wayland forked with all the past 2 years' skirmishes won by Ubuntu.
The software that's ran is the software that ships & has devices for it. That's 2 wins this strategy has over Wayland. And a win for open-source.
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Originally posted by liam View PostWhat does CUDA have to do with X?
Their compute GPGPUs (Tesla, I think) don't even support displays, I believe.
In fact it's better to use without X. When both CUDA and a X-Org driver are running on the same card, they are fighting for the available processing power, and there are very paranoid "time-out" limits on CUDA code, in order to keep X responsive (so you can't really run long algrotihms on CUDA to avoid freezing the interface).
When CUDA is ran alone, it's the only thing talking to the kernel module and thus none of these limit is active: you can run whatever you want, even if it takes several seconds per processing.
Thus the first maching I tested CUDA onto was a headless server with an old PCI S3 card for test-mode output on a screen during installation (and headless the rest of the time), and a PCIe GeForce card used only to run CUDA code, with no display running at all on it (not even text).
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Originally posted by snadrus View PostWell, almost.
- Ubuntu started looking at Wayland for phone purposes, but realized their only push with closed-source drivers is toward Android compat, which Wayland can't have.
Originally posted by snadrus View Post- As Ubuntu played with Wayland, they had all kinds of things they wanted to change & couldn't (Ex: Server-side decorations).
Originally posted by snadrus View Post- The result: Wayland forked with all the past 2 years' skirmishes won by Ubuntu.
Originally posted by snadrus View PostThe software that's ran is the software that ships & has devices for it. That's 2 wins this strategy has over Wayland. And a win for open-source.
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