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Originally posted by Ericg View PostAlso what kind of update are you doing that 'bricks your system' ...? Unless you're on fairly old hardware where things don't get tested a kernel releases probably isnt gonna brick your system... Mesa same deal, if you're using one of the 'tier 1' (intel, radeon, nouveau) drivers an update shouldn't break things because they get tons of testing. Xorg updates... X in the past has broken things on hardware but the devs seem to have gotten better about it.
With LTS releases, you only have to bother with distro upgrades every 5 years. Not everyone needs the latest software. (Although I'm kinda bad at practicing what I preach, in some ways at least - right now I'm running a nightly build of Cinnamon because the backport version had issues...) But still I like the security of knowing that I don't have to upgrade the entire distro in a few months, if I don't want to.
Also its not even an issue of "I dont want to update every 6months." Even Fedora gives you 18 months of updates from date of release, Ubuntu gives 2 years if I remember right... Suse I don't know.
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Originally posted by dee. View PostHow about getting support for 5 years and not having to do an update that possibly ends up bricking your system every 6-9 months?
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Originally posted by dee. View PostI thought we were talking about distros... I've heard of some (many?) cases where updating between non-LTS versions of Ubuntu and derivatives (eg. from 11.04 -> 11.10) just plain fails and shitcans the entire OS. I've heard some similar stories about Fedora but I don't know if it's common there. Presumably the safer option is usually to reinstall instead of letting the distro try updating itself.
I can't comment on Ubuntu's updatability. I never tried it, I always reinstalled. Fedora on the other hand... Fedora used to be kind of iffy. But with the introduction of fedup in the last release its been absolutely perfect so far. I went from 17 to 18, and 18 to 19 with no problems. I also did 19 to the alpha of 20 using fedup, but later wiped that out and put 19 back on because of instability in the alpha (shocker, an alpha release is unstable xD, but I just wanted to play around with some of the new tech anyway)
Originally posted by dee. View PostUbuntu only gives 9 months for non-LTS now. By extension, that also applies to all derivatives, like Kubuntu or Mint.All opinions are my own not those of my employer if you know who they are.
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Originally posted by Vim_User View PostDebian does only backport security updates, not bugfixes to the Stable branch. Newer kernels are available via the backports repository, Mesa (currently?) not.
Originally posted by Vim_User View PostI am pretty sure he means a bricked OS, not bricked hardware. Just do a websearch for "Ubuntu update gone wrong" or something similar.
Originally posted by Vim_User View PostFedora has a support cycle of 13 months (or better until current version+2 is released + 1 month), Ubuntu has 5 years for LTS versions and 9 months for interim versions.All opinions are my own not those of my employer if you know who they are.
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Originally posted by Awesomeness View PostThat's stupid. Upgrades to new release versions (i.e. not alphas!) of properly supported Linux distributions do not brick systems.All opinions are my own not those of my employer if you know who they are.
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Screw "upgrades".
The right thing for me is: let's put /home on a separate partition, and wipe / and /boot while installing fresh copies of $DISTRO. When $DISTRO wants to create an user, you give $DISTRO your actual username, you keep using an unique username and your data and settings are not affected.
BTW, I've managed to send Ubuntu systems to hell with much less than a full system upgrade. A KDE point release upgrade, when Kubuntu-Backports conflicted with the Ubuntu main repositories, was enough to kill an Ubuntu system. That's why I don't use Ubuntu.
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Originally posted by Alejandro Nova View PostBTW, I've managed to send Ubuntu systems to hell with much less than a full system upgrade. A KDE point release upgrade, when Kubuntu-Backports conflicted with the Ubuntu main repositories, was enough to kill an Ubuntu system. That's why I don't use Ubuntu.All opinions are my own not those of my employer if you know who they are.
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Originally posted by Alejandro Nova View PostScrew "upgrades".
The right thing for me is: let's put /home on a separate partition, and wipe / and /boot while installing fresh copies of $DISTRO. When $DISTRO wants to create an user, you give $DISTRO your actual username, you keep using an unique username and your data and settings are not affected.
I guess you could install all such software on a separate partition (I've taken to installing all games and such on a separate directory under /home) but there's still going to be the hassle of manually adding all menu shortcuts back (I guess you could come up with some kind of fancy scripting solution for that but who has the time or energy for that...)
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Originally posted by Ericg View PostLTS releases I knew were 5yrs, but weren't the interim releases 2yrs like..not too long ago? Or did I imagine that? I didn't think they had always been 9 months o.O
Interesting that it occured at all.. with apt pinning support, I'd just assume that Backports would be given priority and that'd be end of it
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