Originally posted by illwieckz
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LOL. They could chose Tegra, they had not.
They could do it, they already did bold moves, Microsoft went PPC for the Xbox 360, Sony went Cell for the PS3.
They have not, because Tegra would only be a serious competitor if Microsoft and Sony were making a Switch competitor.
You fail at thinking about the product as a whole. An APU is a product, it's in competition with other APUs, An APU is not in competition with the parts of it.
That's because Nvidia has no APU that can compete against AMD APU those console makers went the AMD way, even if there exists dedicated Nvidia GPU that beats the graphics solution embedded in the AMD APU. A good example is ray tracing: AMD was behind Nvidia on the ray tracing topic went the XS and PS5 were designed, but Nvidia was even not in the competition of APUs to begin with so none of those console features them.
Nvidia dragsters maybe faster than the cars used by people who buy groceries themselves, but those people don't use dragsters to go buy groceries, and game consoles are sold to people who buy groceries themselves.
It's actually because all of this is right that Nvidia started the Tegra work years ago, to begin with, because people at Nvidia know they will never sell dragsters to game console makers. That's also why they even attempted to aquire ARM, because they know the problem is real and they are afraid about this problem: No one will buy them APUs if they don't have APUs to sell to begin with.
No one will buy them an APU only because they have another product that is not an APU that is better in another topic. Tegra actually exists because Nvidia is behind, Tegra is part of their attempts to close the gap. The example of the Switch is a good example of how the Tegra allowed them to keep a foot in the market of game consoles by targetting a lower level, which was a very good strategy for them, and this experience and such market is allowing them to progress on closing the gap more, because they have to close the gap and they know it well.
I'm not saying Nvidia will never be competitive in that market, neither they may be never be chosen in the future, neither they may not even become better in the future. But this is only a possible future. They're still working at closing the gap, and even Intel has now doubled them: The steam deck competitors in the same form factors that are not AMD are Intel.
Asus ROG Ally? AMD. Lenovo Legion GO? AMD. Ayaneo Kun / 2S / 1S? AMD. OneXPlayer Pro 2? AMD. GPD Win 4? AMD. MSI Claw AIM? Intel with Arc graphics… No nvidia around.
All of them are built to run Steam and PC games.
And if you even look outside of the main topic, which is about Valve and Steam interest, if you're OK to not have Steam and look at ARM where Nvidia Tegra may stands a chance, you get the Logitech G Cloud with ARM/Adreno or the Ayn Odin 2 with ARM/Adreno too. Where is Nvidia if it's so better and those makers can avoid PC compatibility and if they already do ARM?
Ah yes, the proof Nvidia Tegra is the APU of choice for game console products in 2024 and later is that Tegra was used in the Nintendo Switch 7 years ago. Even those choosing ARM for making game console products in 2024 don't chose Tegra today, but why? Nothing is preventing them to chose it if it's better for their need! And now you said the Nvidia Tegra was 10 years ahead 10 years ago? 7 years later, the Switch using Tegra still looks like an accident, and 7 years later the competitors are still used instead, even by those doing ARM…
Then why do Nvidia doesn't offer it? Why do game console makers don't buy Nvidia? Are you aware they can? Microsoft already integrated Nvidia for an Xbox in the past, Sony already integrated Nvidia in a PlayStation in the past. They can do it, they already did it, why do they don't do it today if Nvidia is better? No one is forbiddng them to do it!
You talk like if Microsoft, Sony and Valve have chosen AMD but it would have been better if they had chosen Nvidia instead… But saying this doesn't make sense, because they all could chose Nvidia and they didn't do it. One cannot say “Imagine what would be an Xbox Series X with an Nvidia, a PlayStation 5 with an Nvidia, A Steam Deck with an Nvidia, it would be so better !”, because they all could do it and they all did not do it because it was worst.
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