RadeonSI Gallium3D Might Run As Well As Catalyst For CS:GO Linux

[AJSB]

It is not, higher framerate is actually measured from frame latency which at 60fps is 16.7ms, while for 120 fps it's only 8.3ms which directly translates to input latency which for fast paced games is crucial. Also when machines achieves higher framerate than 60 at most times it's most likely to not drop below 60 when lots of shit happens on the screen (unless game is badly optimized), which results in not dropping frame latency which results in keeping your input latency somehow consitent and responsive which results in me shooting your head faster than you with 60fps or below.

This is not my area of expertise, but ask anyone who has something to do with game or graphics stack development and he will confirm.

I can confirm all you said....MORE Frames Per Second is ALWAYS better in First Person Shooter game and ANYONE that says the opposite is:

1) AN IDIOT

or

2) NOT a FPS GAMER

[droste]

That is a big point against open source software, really.

Open source doesn't mean that everybody has to add features to every project...
It's important because you can fix problems on your computer on your own. Those problems don't always require deep understanding of the code, sometimes it's just a function name that changed in a library, or a simple null dereference. With a stack trace, the source code and sometimes google you can at least workaround the problem until there's a real fix. With closed source software you're screwed and left with unusable software until (or even if!) the one with the source code comes up with a solution.

[curaga]

What I do not understand is that the Linux community hails open source software to the heavens, and understandably so from a philosophical standpoint, but when it comes to the real life example that is AMD's open driver, where is the community to show just how powerful open source software can be? ... Instead of waiting for AMD to throw more resources at its open driver, or even its closed driver, why doesn't the community step up and pick up the pace and put it past AMD's closed driver already?

Do you not count yourself in "the Linux community"? What is your reason?

[nanonyme]

There's also the thing that drivers are not separate from rest of the operating system. When OS changes, someone has to port driver to be compatible. If driver is closed source, this porting must be done by original developer creating overhead to them. With open source the original developer can keep focusing on new advanced features and new GPU support

[Cyber Killer]

That is a big point against open source software, really.

How? Coding is a complex task, most people who code don't do anything more than some scripts or web pages. Many can write tools/apps for the desktop or server (or make a new spin off of a distro) or complex webapps, another step in complexity is writing games (though that depends if we're talking about game engine or just game mechanics), then drivers and the kernel. The same applies to proprietary code. You get numerous small apps, but only a few drivers or operating systems, nothing new here. Just because you got millions of sysadmins who write automation scripts for backups on their servers on a daily basis, you can't expect them to be able to code a GPU driver.

The strength in FLOSS is that when more people join the community, there's a good chance that they'll be able to help with even the more complex stuff. We need to grow the community, keep it healthy and friendly (not fighting within), and eventually we'll have more GPU drivers developers than the proprietary companies can employ.

[droste]

The benchmark should use timedemo. You should see a demo of gameplay footage, otherwise there's a problem, and I doubt the result is correct.

You don't see anything because the game is started with the "-novid" parameter.

[FutureSuture]

You do realize that many of the AMD people working on the free drivers now, were at first just part of the "community" you so call before being hired by AMD? There are also outside people working on things, but I suppose GPU work is not very welcoming for new people.

Oh, I do realise very much that these people originated from the "community" as you so quote. AMD employs 6 open source graphics driver developers, right? 6.

most people aren't programmers, and even most programmers don't know where to begin on something as advanced as a modern graphics card driver.

That is a big point against open source software, really.

[peppercats]

What I do not understand is that the Linux community hails open source software to the heavens, and understandably so from a philosophical standpoint, but when it comes to the real life example that is AMD's open driver, where is the community to show just how powerful open source software can be? Probably working on another new distro aimed at a niche allegedly not served by the hundreds of other distros out there. AMD's open driver is improving much quicker than AMD's closed driver but was also much further behind. Instead of waiting for AMD to throw more resources at its open driver, or even its closed driver, why doesn't the community step up and pick up the pace and put it past AMD's closed driver already?

most people aren't programmers, and even most programmers don't know where to begin on something as advanced as a modern graphics card driver.

[geearf]

What I do not understand is that the Linux community hails open source software to the heavens, and understandably so from a philosophical standpoint, but when it comes to the real life example that is AMD's open driver, where is the community to show just how powerful open source software can be? Probably working on another new distro aimed at a niche allegedly not served by the hundreds of other distros out there. AMD's open driver is improving much quicker than AMD's closed driver but was also much further behind. Instead of waiting for AMD to throw more resources at its open driver, or even its closed driver, why doesn't the community step up and pick up the pace and put it past AMD's closed driver already?

You do realize that many of the AMD people working on the free drivers now, were at first just part of the "community" you so call before being hired by AMD? There are also outside people working on things, but I suppose GPU work is not very welcoming for new people.

[FutureSuture]

What I do not understand is that the Linux community hails open source software to the heavens, and understandably so from a philosophical standpoint, but when it comes to the real life example that is AMD's open driver, where is the community to show just how powerful open source software can be? Probably working on another new distro aimed at a niche allegedly not served by the hundreds of other distros out there. AMD's open driver is improving much quicker than AMD's closed driver but was also much further behind. Instead of waiting for AMD to throw more resources at its open driver, or even its closed driver, why doesn't the community step up and pick up the pace and put it past AMD's closed driver already?