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  • #11
    Originally posted by ReaperX7 View Post
    All that money spent on an EPYC CPU and they couldn't afford an Instinct GPU?

    And they wonder why the driver crashes? It's probably something with their half-assed design and probably poor quality and unverified to work together parts.
    I mean drivers should be bug free right? Or you want your desktop GPU randomly crashing while gaming, your developer VM use, or workstation AI code testing?

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    • #12
      Originally posted by FireBurn View Post
      If you pause and unpause, at which point have you changed direction?
      I get what you're trying to say but to put it in another perspective:
      Opting to do nothing is still making a choice.
      Or if you prefer:
      To not move forward is a change in direction, because you aren't actively heading in the direction you seek. If you were to pace back and forth, you are constantly changing direction but since your net distance doesn't change, you are effectively paused.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by Quackdoc View Post
        you clearly completely missed the mark here, they didn't rant over the inability to debug AMD, they ranted about the inability to do so, WHILE amd having complete and utter trash reliability, unlike Nvidia. See Nvidia is actually good for compute unlike AMD. AMD and it's fanboys hides behind the shield of "It's open source" to deflect criticism about it's trash reliability. So Tinycorp tried to put money where their mouth is, and fix it for them. Then they came up against "Well shit, it may be open source in some areas, but not where the problem we need to fix is"

        You see, tinycorp wants really badly to support AMD and they physically couldn't, at least that was true until they found UMR, Now they have a tool which can help debug these issues.‚Äč
        Close. TinyCorp isn't using AMD's open source drivers on these, and everybody knows their closed source drivers are pure shit. That's why Tinycorp wanted them to open source the parts that were so broken, so they could work to fix them. AMD's open source drivers are generally very well made, and extremely reliable. All of their closed source components (which unfortunately is basically ALL of it's compute platform) suck ass. Most AMD fan boys are running games, not compute tasks, so their praise of the platform makes sense.

        Not like AMD's terrible compute platform matters anyway, since barely any 3rd party platforms or apps utilize ROCm. Or if they do, they put so little effort into it that it doesn't matter. Chicken and egg problem: nobody uses ROCm so nobody files bugs. Nobody uses ROCm because bugs. And Because of AMD's terrible closed-source software support, it's no guarantee that reported bugs would ever actually get fixed. At least not in a reasonable time frame. Open sourcing the stack is basically the only possibility of people taking AMD's hardware serious for compute stuff.

        Which is a shame, because AMD's cards are almost as good as Nvidia cards in terms of raw hardware performance, for a fraction of the cost. Hell, GCN would have been a compute dream compared to Nvidia when it released if AMD's software didn't suck so much.

        As for Tinycorp, yeah. They want to support AMD mostly because they hate Nvidia and their generally evil company practices. Not like AMD is a saint, but they're a far cry better than Nvidia most of the time.
        Last edited by Daktyl198; 25 March 2024, 10:26 AM.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by Daktyl198 View Post

          Close. TinyCorp isn't using AMD's open source drivers on these, and everybody knows their closed source drivers are pure shit. That's why Tinycorp wanted them to open source the parts that were so broken, so they could work to fix them. AMD's open source drivers are generally very well made, and extremely reliable. All of their closed source components (which unfortunately is basically ALL of it's compute platform) suck ass. Most AMD fan boys are running games, not compute tasks, so their praise of the platform makes sense.

          Not like AMD's terrible compute platform matters anyway, since barely any 3rd party platforms utilize ROCm anyway. Or if they do, they put so little effort into it that it doesn't matter anyway. Chicken and egg problem: nobody uses ROCm so nobody files bugs. Nobody uses ROCm because bugs. And Because of AMD's terrible closed-source software support, it's no guarantee that reported bugs would ever actually get fixed. At least not in a reasonable time frame. Open sourcing the stack is basically the only possibility of people taking AMD's hardware serious for compute stuff.

          Which is a shame, because AMD's cards are almost as good as Nvidia cards in terms of raw hardware performance, for a fraction of the cost. Hell, GCN would have been a compute dream compared to Nvidia when it released if AMD's software didn't suck so much.

          As for Tinycorp, yeah. They want to support AMD mostly because they hate Nvidia and their generally evil company practices. Not like AMD is a saint, but they're a far cry better than Nvidia most of the time.
          Rocm is open source...

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          • #15
            Originally posted by Quackdoc View Post

            Rocm is open source...
            The user space SDK, yes. But not the driver.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by Daktyl198 View Post

              The user space SDK, yes. But not the driver.
              their kernel driver is open source, and I believe the SDK for rocm is too, which I thought directly talks to that, unless there is a step missing im not sure what is closed source in the stack, aside from the bits mentioned.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Danny3 View Post
                Does AMD still doesn't have the money to fix their problems or they just like to pretend that they don't?
                Or it has bad top management like Mozilla?
                This is what none of us on the outside looking in can understand. AMD is many years removed from being near financial death. Investing several million dollars in additional teams to speed up ROCm development would easily give them an order of magnitude ROI.

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                • #18
                  On a sidenote: I'm exited to see the next ROCm release, since they might finally support my RX5700 NAVI1 card.

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                  • #19
                    > requires 2x1500W (two 120V outlets)

                    I know that this is marketed to Smart People Who Should Know Better, but how long until someone buys one of these and plugs it into two outlets on the same 15A circuit?

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by pixelherodev View Post
                      > requires 2x1500W (two 120V outlets)

                      I know that this is marketed to Smart People Who Should Know Better, but how long until someone buys one of these and plugs it into two outlets on the same 15A circuit?
                      reminds me of the USB devices for portable HDDs that had two usb type-A male adapters for power

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