It is sad that the noisy gamers spend so much time criticizing AMD for delivering balanced GPU performance. Not everybody using AMD GPUs is a gamer guys, some of us don’t give a rate ass about how well the GPU supports the latest games.
What we do care about is good balance performance across a number of workloads and open and reliable software. AMD might come up short with respect to reliable but they are not that much worse than the competition.
What im hoping for from AMD is that Navi is a success so that they can continue to expand production of software and hardware variants. In the end guys that is what is needed to solve the software issues, strong sales that will lead to expanded software development teams.
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Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
No, end users shouldn't do that. Distributors should. They have the QA pipeline in place to test if the whole thing causes issues with other tweaks and patches they have.Last edited by skeevy420; 30 May 2019, 12:01 PM.
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Originally posted by skeevy420 View Postthey basically have us do the debianxfce method of adding unofficial PPAs, compiling custom kernels most people probably don't even know exist, and other things that the average end-user shouldn't have to do to get their $400 GPU to work correctly.
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As long as Navi uses radeonsi, I'm sure it's safe to say that it is in fact very similar to GCN. I still don't fully understand what it is that makes Navi so different, but, I don't think being similar to GCN is a bad thing. GCN is actually a pretty fast and efficient architecture, but, only under very specific workloads (which as we all know, gaming is not one of them). To me, the main thing that gives Nvidia such a lead is how their performance-per-watt is consistent regardless of what you're running. To me, all AMD needs to do is to get better performance-per-watt results than Nvidia in gaming. To me, they don't have to have something faster than a 2070, they just need it to be more efficient.
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Originally posted by humbug View PostBad look.
I really thought AMD's Linux driver team will achieve a smooth launch this time. Navi has been cooking for a long time.
This is the exact opposite of the Catalyst days where we needed custom AMD repos that contained old software; now we need them with bleeding-edge software.
Buy an AMD GPU, add the AMD Repository, update+install a couple of packages, reboot, and done...if it were only that simple...but nope, they basically have us do the debianxfce method of adding unofficial PPAs, compiling custom kernels most people probably don't even know exist, and other things that the average end-user shouldn't have to do to get their $400 GPU to work correctly.
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Originally posted by ThoreauHD View PostI think Navi is GCN, and that AMD is great at compute, but can't figure out high perf low powwr gaming rasterization to save their ass.
June 11 is E3. Supposedly the full announcement with launch on 7/7.
That either means the driver/card isn't ready, or they suddenly don't care about the Linux market. They aren't playing coy because they are competing against the R7, not Nvidia. The only thing Nvidia affects with this launch is price, and that can be changed on the fly. Driver support, not so much.
These name changes and shady moves smell like a delay tactic in a parade of BS. I hope I'm wrong, but I get the feeling AMD will simply be focusing on datacenter compute gpu's if Navi gaming goes sideways.
If thing go as i suspect NAVI support won't require much work on Linux outside some golden registers and some new firmware and maybe few changes for new features.
Of course after E3 we should have a more concise idea of how different is from GCN
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It is also a possibility the Navi changes largely already *are* in the code. But until the PCI IDs are posted we just cant see the relevant code paths. It should be possible to merge additional PCI IDs relatively late and possibly as a point release of the kernel/Mesa.
Just hoping :-) Navi looks like a possible buy for me.
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Originally posted by humbug View PostBad look.
I really thought AMD's Linux driver team will achieve a smooth launch this time. Navi has been cooking for a long time.
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I think Navi is GCN, and that AMD is great at compute, but can't figure out high perf low powwr gaming rasterization to save their ass.
June 11 is E3. Supposedly the full announcement with launch on 7/7.
That either means the driver/card isn't ready, or they suddenly don't care about the Linux market. They aren't playing coy because they are competing against the R7, not Nvidia. The only thing Nvidia affects with this launch is price, and that can be changed on the fly. Driver support, not so much.
These name changes and shady moves smell like a delay tactic in a parade of BS. I hope I'm wrong, but I get the feeling AMD will simply be focusing on datacenter compute gpu's if Navi gaming goes sideways.
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Let's hope the best - if navi makes it into 5.3 and mesa 19.2 it is at least close enough to launch to not be too bad - if it misses 19.2, it will be an annoying delay :/
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