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Originally posted by mityukov View PostDid anybody have a chance to compile and to test these updates with like Compiz (at least, playing non-flickering Video, when Desktop Effects ON)?
It's not ready at all yet, as it suffers from a massive slowdown (expect to see one frame every minute )). Maybe i will have more stuff to blog about in coming weeks.
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I wonder if Linux will stay in the "the OS for yesterday's hardware" state forever. At least for GPUs :P By the time something actually works, it's 6 generations behind. r300... Maybe in the year 2193 we'll see good support for the R7xx. But by then, we'll be experiencing Fallout 3 in real-life anyway so no need for itLast edited by RealNC; 10 November 2008, 03:07 PM.
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Originally posted by RealNC View PostI wonder if Linux will stay in the "the OS for yesterday's hardware" state forever.
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Originally posted by RealNC View PostI wonder if Linux will stay in the "the OS for yesterday's hardware" state forever. At least for GPUs :P By the time something actually works, it's 6 generations behind. r300... Maybe in the year 2193 we'll see good support for the R7xx. But by then, we'll be experiencing Fallout 3 in real-life anyway so no need for it
We're playing catchup a little because there's all this hardware that existed before AMD/ATI got a clue. Unless AMD does an about face, we would be safe in hoping it won't happen again.
The same goes for Intel hardware. Hopefully the next generation of Intel GPUs will get even faster OSS support than the release this summer. The driver had support before release, as I recall, but the driver didn't have an official release until a couple months after. Good step in the right direction, at least.
The real problem, the way I look at it, is that the whole OSS stack -- from the kernel all the way up to the user-facing desktop components -- are still delivered and supported in an appliance model. Even if AMD releases a new driver, it's entirely likely that you'll have to wait 6+ months to actually GET the driver because you'll have to upgrade your entire freaking operating system to get the updated kernel/DRM/whatever necessary for the newer driver. Just like how if you want a bugfix update to Abiword or some other desktop app, you often need to upgrade the whole OS. It's gotten a little better lately with distros actually pushing non-critical updates to prior releases, but it's still a far cry away from "install what you want, when you want, without mucking up the package manager."
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Originally posted by elanthis View PostThe real problem, the way I look at it, is that the whole OSS stack -- from the kernel all the way up to the user-facing desktop components -- are still delivered and supported in an appliance model. Even if AMD releases a new driver, it's entirely likely that you'll have to wait 6+ months to actually GET the driver because you'll have to upgrade your entire freaking operating system to get the updated kernel/DRM/whatever necessary for the newer driver. Just like how if you want a bugfix update to Abiword or some other desktop app, you often need to upgrade the whole OS. It's gotten a little better lately with distros actually pushing non-critical updates to prior releases, but it's still a far cry away from "install what you want, when you want, without mucking up the package manager."
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Originally posted by duby229 View PostIt doesnt work that way, and it cant. I for one hope and pray that we will never have to backport minor fixes to every possible combination of distro.
The facts are that rolling updates are more efficient and do in fact provide minor fixes faster then any other model currently deployed.
If you're lucky you might see a few updates on a distro. ATI drivers on Fedora are actually a great example of this already happening occasionally. It just needs to happen on a much larger and more consistent scale.
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Originally posted by elanthis View PostThe real problem, the way I look at it, is that the whole OSS stack -- from the kernel all the way up to the user-facing desktop components -- are still delivered and supported in an appliance model. Even if AMD releases a new driver, it's entirely likely that you'll have to wait 6+ months to actually GET the driver because you'll have to upgrade your entire freaking operating system to get the updated kernel/DRM/whatever necessary for the newer driver. Just like how if you want a bugfix update to Abiword or some other desktop app, you often need to upgrade the whole OS. It's gotten a little better lately with distros actually pushing non-critical updates to prior releases, but it's still a far cry away from "install what you want, when you want, without mucking up the package manager."
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