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Originally posted by xvalentinex View PostThis is the problem with your entire argument and proof you don't really understand the issues at hand.
Wayland requires KMS. If nvidia's support for KMS is anything like their support of xrandr12, good luck getting it in the next decade.
xrandr12 support did take a long time, but to then assume based on that alone that nvidia won't support Wayland for more than a decade - is nothing more than your opinion and also very likely FUD.
Originally posted by xvalentinex View PostWayland can never be the default in major distributions until nvidia cards are supported, and it will be Nouveau that supports it first. It would be really nice if nvidia would coroporate with Nouveau so that linux can have excellent open source drivers for nvidia cards, but unfortunately that's not the case. If I were you, I'd stop patting Nvidia on the back, and get on the Nouveau train. At some point Wayland will probably be the default and you'll be stuck with X, or Nouveau drivers that aren't as good as they could have been.
again with this FUD. For one, you have no idea as to when Nvidia plans on supporting Wayland, you also have no idea of when Wayland will even be production ready, nor do you know whether or not i will be 'stuck with X' or even if that bothers me (which AFAIK it wouldn't, at this point). I am very unlikely to be an early Wayland adopter, regardless of whether i am using Nvidia or not. I will wait until it matures, just like i won't update my Mac to Mountain Lion 10.8, until there have been several point releases.
how about instead of preaching to me, trying to spread FUD and seemingly trying to use that FUD as a form of coercion, instead concern yourself with your own problems, k?
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Originally posted by johnc View PostHasn't the nvidia driver had KMS for the past million years?
Originally posted by GusarNo it doesn't. Nice irony.
Originally posted by ninezerm, excuse me but i have been using linux for over a decade using (mostly) Nvidia hardware
Originally posted by ninezxrandr12 support did take a long time, but to then assume based on that alone that nvidia won't support Wayland for more than a decade
Originally posted by ninezNouveau isn't suitable for my purposes, if it was - i would use it.
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Originally posted by xvalentinex View PostThis is true, and I shouldn't have stated it as a fact. I have nothing to show that nvidia will support Wayland in any timely manner... better?
Originally posted by xvalentinex View PostI didn't mean to imply that you should be running Nouveau, that is entirely your decision. I currently run the nvidia blob myself, because Nouveau doesn't resume from suspend on my laptop. I meant more that we all should be supporting/encouraging the herculean efforts of the Nouveau team.
I also don't see what support/encouragement i am supposed to be giving to a project that i don't use (well, every couple/few months i test out nouveau, that's about it). I have nothing to offer that project and the only thing i could do to encourage them is outright lie to them about Nouveau.
I think given the circumstances the Nouveau developers have done a decent job, but the sad truth is Nouveau doesn't touch Radeon or Intel (let alone the driver it seeks to replace, which kills radeon/intel in performance) and progress is slow... I would rather be honest in my position - which is that i prefer Nvidia's driver, even with the problems that sometimes crop up with the blob (slow to adopt certain things, the odd security flaw, etc) - at the end of the day, as far as GFX on linux - Nvidia offers decent drivers (the best, imo), that are performant and i am never stuck waiting for them to support the latest version of Xorg, which is good being as i generally stick with bleeding-dege software.
I'm not a FOSS-evangelist and i use the best tools for the job - I am not required to hold Nouveau developers hands (whom i highly doubt need me too, either). There may come a day when Nouveau is good enough for me, but until then i am happy using the drivers Nvidia provides - which have made my Linux Desktop very nice to use and work with.
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