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1) Where? GM's new "electric" car still burns fossil fuels.
3) You don't need to stinkin seat belt if you're driving an army tank that can crush through everything in its way.
4, 5, 6, 10, 11) causes BAD DRIVERS who can't actually drive well/safely.
7) Wuss.
8) Its in my phone.
9) kills more than it saves.
12) Wuss.
Oh, FYI: 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12 are all COMPUTER advancements....
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Originally posted by droidhacker View Post#2: Is this the area within the tinfoil car where you are guaranteed to become crippled if you get in a crash?
To tell you the truth I don?t know what they call it in English xD Ripple zones maybe?
You know when you perform a frontal crash on a lovely tree, the forfront of you car (where the engine is if you do not have the money for a Porche), it absorbs the impact by crippling/ripple-ing...
WTF xD
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Originally posted by droidhacker View PostThe rest...
1) Where? GM's new "electric" car still burns fossil fuels.
3) You don't need to stinkin seat belt if you're driving an army tank that can crush through everything in its way.
4, 5, 6, 10, 11) causes BAD DRIVERS who can't actually drive well/safely.
7) Wuss.
8) Its in my phone.
9) kills more than it saves.
12) Wuss.
Oh, FYI: 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12 are all COMPUTER advancements....
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Go travel around some of the northern interior mining locations of Australia without air-con, now that's bad!
Being on a legacy driver thread (I smell a pun coming on here), internal car electronics and communications is something that really doesn't change much - although recently there's been quite a good deal of effort into introducing more modern systems (read up on flexray and autosar).
Will linux one day be running your car's internals? Now there's an interesting discussion - and one where "bad drivers" has a whole new meaning.
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Originally posted by droidhacker View PostYou clearly have NO IDEA what "out of the box" means.
It means that you put your distro's install disk in, press "next" until it is installed, and it "works".
Out of the box does NOT involve taking extra steps to install and debug proprietary blobs. If you have to press ONE SINGLE BUTTON beyond installing the disto, then you are beyond the box.
And yes, AMD chips ***DO*** work ***VERY CONSISTENTLY*** out of the box with Fedora. There is ZERO lag for kernel/xserver support since they DO NOT release a new version or update of/to Fedora without updating the radeon driver to match its package set. In fact, RedHat, which basically CONTROLS Fedora is one of the two primary developers for AMD drivers. The other being AMD itself. In other words, the AMD support tends to hit Fedore BEFORE it hits anywhere else, and yes, it ***JUST WORKS***. No blobs required.
I'm sure I can get Kwin working on Fedora, but honestly, it's not worth the time. It's just disappointing.
The last experience with FGLRX that I had was so poor that I don't ever want to use it again. Some time in the past FGLRX got a great feature to allow me to graphical change the overscan for my HDTV. It was awesome, and something that I hadn't been able to figure out with FGLRX or Nvidia before that. However, with 10.3 or 10.4, FGLRX stopped recognizing my TV as a TV. I posted on the forums here, and after many replies, no one could figure out what was wrong. It was less work to encode 1TB of video to play on my PS3 than to continue to mess with FGLRX every release. And since the kernel/X-server support is so poor, driver updates are frequently required just to keep up with distro upgrades.
I used to spend a lot of time configuring my systems and working around all kinds of problems, graphics and others. However, I've outgrown that. I'm sick and tired of changing my use patterns to meet the shortcomings of software and hardware. I feel like Nvidia doesn't force me to make these decisions, but ATI does.
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Originally posted by jbrown96 View PostI have had to disable Kwin's effects or the graphics are too slow to do anything, and I'm talking about workstation use, not video playback.
I used to spend a lot of time configuring my systems and working around all kinds of problems, graphics and others. However, I've outgrown that. I'm sick and tired of changing my use patterns to meet the shortcomings of software and hardware. I feel like Nvidia doesn't force me to make these decisions, but ATI does.
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Originally posted by V!NCENT View PostBULL.... SHIT...
Realy? nVidia doesn't break with new X.org releases? Funny... If not then why do they even update their driver to work with later X.org versions?
ATI's X-server/kernel support lags months behind the software release. For example X-server 1.8.0. It was released April 6th. Nvidia announced support for 1.8.0 with driver 195.36.24 around April 27th (I couldn't find a specific day, but Linux Today has a story dated the 27th). ATI still has no support. There's a huge difference between less than one month lag and at least three months.
I haven't found any specific links, but as I recall, Nvidia supported 2.6.34 before it was released.
There's two comparisons that I think are reasonable: FGLRX vs. Nvidia and Radeon vs. Nvidia.
If you take the first one, then Nvidia wins across the board. The only situation where Nvidia is worse is with their installer, which I agree is terrible. However, on Ubuntu (and I assume many other distros), the package manager provides a first-class experience.
The second comparison is only a serious discussion if one really values free software. I think it's obvious where I stand: I like things that work without tinkering; yet, I understand the FOSS argument.
In the end, FGLRX is terrible and in no way compares to Nvidia. Radeon is an ideological argument...
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Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostYour motherboard should work with any recent Fedora out of the box, with no tinkering needed, with full OpenGL 2.0 support. Open drivers support it.
I believe you when you say that it didn't work for you, but do understand that it's not the typical case.
I'm very unhappy with the performance. It's completely unacceptable with Kwin effects. Since this is a workstation, I can't have X breaking, ever. Furthermore, I really like Fedora 13. Both of these considerations remove the possibility of running FGLRX, which I think shows that ATI's drivers are simply "not good."
I used to have problems with Nvidia on my laptop, especially with suspend. However, I haven't had any problems with my Quadro 570m since Ubuntu 10.04 was released. Besides their installer, Nvidia's drivers are spectacular.
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