NVIDIA's Graphics Driver Will Run Into Problems With Linux 5.3 On IBM POWER

[aht0]

This has nothing to do with Communism( Political System.. ), but instead Socialism Ideology..
And if you haven't figured that out,
The Linux Kernel , and a gazillion of other projects, have roots on Socialism, sharing of information, contributing back to the community, and so on..

In Europe,
Socialism is very present if a lot of Countries( majority of them, even at Political points of view ), but you don't have a single Country, at least currently( afaik ), that is based in Communism..
And Europe has 51 Countries..
We have Public Social Healthcare Systems, Social Insurance, and so on..

Communist political system was based on ideology of Socialism. I can quote you Lenin to no end, after all I had to digest this crap starting from kindergarden significant portion of my life. And I don't find the current mainstream liberal/socialdemocratic ideologies all that much different. Same shitty turds in different sauce.

[Britoid]

You need look at what goverment controll do. My country (czech republic) has been ecologicaly devastated by leftist. Our forest are destroyed by spruce bark beetle, because goverment controlled what they use for replacement a now we have monocultural forests.

Have you ever heard of companies like red hat? System76, Canonical, Valve?
Capitalism never choose one specific way, capitalism diversify and opensource is one way.

Destroying forests isn't really a left or right policy.

[torsionbar28]

Do you realize that that's how Capitalism works? You hold your secrets and make your money for as long as you can. Not everyone can figure out a good blend of Capitalism and Communism like AMD has.

I do find it funny and very ironic that Nvidia is Team Green, the color of money. and that AMD is Team Red, the color of Communism.

Ugh, this nonsense again? Confusing software development models with human governance is silly, to say the least.

[torsionbar28]

Destroying forests isn't really a left or right policy.

Not "left" or "right" per se. But in practice, we find that in free societies (i.e. capitalist democratic republics) where the people have a say in who and how they are governed, they demand that natural resources be protected. When we look at authoritarian regimes (socialism, communism, fascism, etc.) where the people have little or NO say in who and how they are governed, the government is happy to exploit all resources to depletion, while using propaganda and force to mitigate populist anger. Look at communist China for example, and all the ecological and environmental harm they continue to cause our planet.

Of course all of this has nothing whatsoever to do with open source vs. closed source software development models.

[skeevy420]

To Everyone:
My apologies for this essay of a reply.

You need look at what goverment controll do. My country (czech republic) has been ecologicaly devastated by leftist. Our forest are destroyed by spruce bark beetle, because goverment controlled what they use for replacement a now we have monocultural forests.

Have you ever heard of companies like red hat? System76, Canonical, Valve?
Capitalism never choose one specific way, capitalism diversify and opensource is one way. Who you think contribute into linux? Corporations, because, it's profitable. NVidia now can see losses caused by their decisions. Now they must find another way for their drivers. My next GPU will be from AMD because AMD has open drivers and I vote by my wallet against NVidia's proprietary drivers. If enough people think the same way, it will be a better decision to have opensource drivers on linux from the capitalist perspective. Unlike other systems, capitalism have feedback, if you buy goods from companies which choose ways you don't like, it is your fault, your wallet can force them change their minds. Govermnet regulation is only way into hell.

Capitalism chooses one way and one way only -- the path of least resistance for the maximum amount of profit. Look into American history before regulations were forced upon our businesses. Child labor, being paid in company cash that could only be spent in the company town and company stores, massive deforestation and wildlife killed off and the same monocultural forests of profit trees were replanted (we just have a bigger and more diverse country that hides this but I drive past it all the time because I live in Weyerhaeuser territory..that's a logging company..), we've created ecological disasters with poorly placed dams that kill off salmon populations, we waste massive amounts of water to farm deserts, we fought a war with ourselves because half the country considered it perfectly fine to keep slaves for more profits...unchecked Capitalism isn't a good thing and regulations and laws are necessary.

Capitalistic feedback doesn't necessarily work in a modern, global economy. There is no way to give that kind of feedback with food. Pepsi vs Coke and AMD vs Nvidia isn't the same as not buying produce because you disagree with jungle deforestation in Brazil for more farmland. You can't just quit using computers because you disagree with tech companies using cheap, foreign labor. There is no tech company you can buy from because you don't like the land destruction caused by the mining of rare earth elements in China. A vote with a wallet only goes so far nor does it even matter in some industries.

We're, in America at least, currently under threat of another problem of Capitalism -- collusion and shell companies/vertical integration. Very few people realize how one company owns 20 companies that own 100 other companies leading to one company being in control of the gas you buy, the food you eat, the programming you watch, the websites you visit...you think you're rebelling and buying a different brand of noodles without realizing that Brand A and Brand B are both owned by Company A that's owned by shell company A. Some companies, like Walmart, get so big that they can force other companies into exclusive positions and contracts, wait a few years until Walmart is their sole customer, and then use that to leverage the company into "better" deals...because if they don't accept the new contract, they'll likely go under. It makes me sad because all of that and recent deregulations makes me feel like we've lost so much progress from the regulations that the horrible monopolistic business practices of Carnegie, Rockefeller, and Morgan caused.

Government control can be good or bad. No one (sane) would argue that 5 year old children should work with heavy equipment and explosives in the mines; but they did until regulations and laws said the couldn't. No one (sane) would argue that information and knowledge should be a privilege; and yet we don't have Net Neutrality. No one (sane) would argue that genocide is OK; but it happened until regulations and laws said otherwise (look into Native American history...my country has a fucked up past). Changes for the good come from the passion of the people and democracy; war or oppression are the other choices.

Democracy helps, but even it can only help so far. Women aren't even considered equal to men in America. The way our laws and Constitution were written, men are considered superior to women in a court of law. We only needed one more state to ratify that amendment to make women equal. Change for the better in a democracy only happens if people care about others and actually give a shit. Apparently a lot of us are constipated and unable to give that shit anymore. A country doesn't vote a person who "grabs them by the pussy" President if they care and give a shit.

There is no one good way when following pure ideology. Pure ideology has always turned into pure evil in modern history. Pure Capitalism was slave labor and genocide. Pure Socialism was slave labor and genocide. Pure Communism was slave labor and genocide. The only Pure Democracy was pirates on their boats. It wasn't until we started mixing ideologies and making regulations that life started to improve for the average person. A blend of all the ideologies; regulations aimed at keeping people safe, educated, and healthy; regulations aimed at keeping the land and world healthy; regulations that prevent the hoarding of knowledge & technology; voting and democracy so people have a voice, a strong constitution that protects the people; that's what we should want to strive towards.

I almost didn't post this due to how off-topic this is becoming because of my odd sense of humor and how I see parallels between unrelated things.

torsionbar28 -- I'm sorry that you're unable to see a parallel between Communism and its "for the people" stance with Open Source development that shares with the community and Capitalism and its "pure profit at the expense of everything else" stance with Closed Source development that doesn't share back with the community. I though that parallel was kind of obvious. The fact that they're Green like money and Red like a scare then becomes funny.

[Aeder]

lol. AMD's latest cards can barely keep up with NVIDIA's 3yo cards. Someone's got awful GPUs and it ain't the green team.

Chris Hellwig is an ass. If he'd actually been working for a POWER9 company he'd be fired for this stunt.

RX 5700's performance is perfectly competitive with the RTX 2060 and in some cases with the RTX 2060 Super (Both released in 2019, with only the original 2060 being in the same $349 price bracket).

RX5700 XT's performance is mostly superior to RTX 2060 Super (Both go for $399) and can sometimes punch above its weight and win against the RTX 2070 Super ($500 card)

Even on Linux, they fall in their expected place, but just above the competition.

Now if you're arguing those cards should beat the cards Nvidia has in the $600-$1000 range, while costing only $400 at most, then you are retarded.

[Ipkh]

Seems like Nvidia could have been offered the opportunity to take over code maintenance. Maybe redhat will, but just ripping out code for this reason is just stupid. The question is with what alternatives they propose Nvidia and other out-of-tree drivers are supposed to use. Are they taking away the functionality entirely or is there a preferred new way to do it. Usually they announce these types of changes well in advance. This just sounds like sour grapes and a bad way to do things.
IMHO this is just more reason to look askance at the kernel governane.

[tuxd3v]

Communist political system was based on ideology of Socialism. I can quote you Lenin to no end, after all I had to digest this crap starting from kindergarden significant portion of my life. And I don't find the current mainstream liberal/socialdemocratic ideologies all that much different. Same shitty turds in different sauce.

Yes, it shares roots from Socialism,
Democratic Republic of North Korea, with Juche Socialism, also shares Ideology with Socialism, but more adapted to Buddhism..
Well, you said all, change the name and some things here and there, but yeah I agree, its not that different, from what we have now..
Socialism seems perfect( from a Ideological point of View ), but the people ruling it, some are motivated by greed and crime, so its difficult, and no one til date succeed to implement the perfect system..
The problem with Ideological systems, are Always the same ... the people..

But the key point in my previous comment was about the sharing and contribution to a Common Cause( Were the Linux Kernel was a central point, and there you have a example of too many ones around, of sharing something... )

Yes, nowadays, greed is becoming to undermine the Linux Kernel Community, and that is one point that make some Prolific Kernel Developers depart from it..saying that "The Community Become too Toxic.." )..

This ideas of sharing a common goal are Socialism Based, that was my point..

[mattst88]

No one seems to have noticed that the code being removed has been in the tree since *2015* with no in-tree consumers.

[Ipkh]

It matters not whether there is in- tree use or not. You just don't remove interfaces from the kernel without notice. The normal routine used to be a year or so notice of planned deprecation/obsolescence.