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  • #61
    Originally posted by startzz View Post
    Yeah, only linux user could catch a virus in windows I'm using windows without antivirus for more than 5 years now, and never saw any virus...
    Precisely antivirus are designed to detect the virus in your system because you cannot see. I never imagined that windows fan boys really believe than typical virus trojans... just say them "hello" when booting...

    Originally posted by startzz View Post
    And no one even cares to make viruses for linux...
    They don't care because is very, very, very difficult...

    Originally posted by startzz View Post
    There is no point in runing only benchmarks, i know, its sad, that all you can do in linux is watching benchmarks, but in windows we have actual games
    Yeah, there is thousands of thousands great games for windows, i cant write all of them here, but you got the idea, none of them are available for linux.
    This is the most difficult part to understand for windows fanboys: Linux is mostly used for work and serious tasks with gaming as a secondary activity. Unable to understand what the words "work" and "serious tasks" mean, Windows fanboys fail to see why 99% of servers or supercomputers run linux. In any case, all this is changing now with projects such as Steam on Linux, which born due to recent Windows fiasco as gaming platform...

    http://kotaku.com/5929067/gabe-newel...-a-catastrophe

    http://kotaku.com/5936535/windows-8-...ood-for-gamers

    http://kotaku.com/5929569/blizzard-i...ndows-8-either

    http://www.gamepolitics.com/2012/08/...die-developers

    http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/...the-npd-group/

    Originally posted by startzz View Post
    Thats one of the big problems of linux, all DEs looks so terrible, and themes for it looks even more horrible, developers must have been very hiiiiiiigh when they made it
    Nope. Almost all of the most beautiful themes/desktops found in online galleries are using linux. It is hard to find a similar quality windows 7 theme and none for windows 8 (the so called "fisher price looking OS"). Moreover windows themes do not offer even a 10% of configuration and customizations possibilities of the linux-based ones. Again words such as "configuration" and "customization" are beyond the capabilities of windows fanboys.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
      I was using this shit from winblows 3.1, so I know a lot about this.
      You forgot to mention, that your windows usage ended with 3.2 xD

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
        Still I wish Microsoft would put a little more effort into kernel-side improvements instead of just making simple fixes. Sure most of their functionality is now dependent on the windows shell which has been improved compared to the resource guzzler it was in Windows vista and 7 but would it kill them to put more effort on the NT kernel...
        So go and make yourself those improvements, why da fak you need all that opensource bullshit in linux, if no one can add great code improvements ?

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        • #64
          I'm all about performance benchmarks between systems and so forth but was this really needed. If you look at something similar here. That article already pointed out that depending on the driver/hardware combo you have each desktop environment will give you different results for games. I'm not going to bother finding the other articles that have already benchmarked different desktop environments against Intel. It just seems like this topic is beating a dead horse.

          I'm happy that we continue to get benchmarks with newer driver updates but we all know it's going to be awhile before Intel Linux drivers are on par to Windows. Looking at what Intel has done I wouldn't be surprised if if they only continue to focus on improvements for the latest hardware wanyways.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
            You're lying or you connect to Internet from a Linux box. Viruses won't run on Linux as easy as on winblows. On winblows it's enough to connect.
            That hasn't been true since Windows started running a firewall by default. I believe that was XP SP2.

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            • #66
              Proprietary Intel OpenGL driver Outperforming open-source Intel OpenGL driver

              In my opinion, the title would be changed to "proprietary Intel OpenGL driver Outperforming open-source Intel OpenGL driver" because it can lead to confusion, specially among non-linux users who know little about the existence of both proprietary and open-source drivers.

              This is not specific of Intel. You could just select two linux distros use the proprietary AMD/ATI driver on one and the open-source AMD/ATI driver on the other and the distro with the proprietary driver will outperform the other on 3D. You could even repeat this using the same distro for both drivers and one of them will be faster, but the conclusion is not that the distro is outperforming itself.
              Last edited by juanrga; 03-22-2013, 09:25 PM.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by startzz View Post
                I'm using windows without antivirus for more than 5 years now, and never saw any virus... ?
                Virus do not say you "hello I am here" when booting. That is why antivirus search for virus. Moreover, having an antivirus installed on your Windows is not guarantee that your system is free of them, specially when the antivirus is not up to date.

                Originally posted by startzz View Post
                There is no point in runing only benchmarks, i know, its sad, that all you can do in linux is watching benchmarks, but in windows we have actual games
                Yeah, there is thousands of thousands great games for windows, i cant write all of them here, but you got the idea, none of them are available for linux.
                People uses linux for all kind of serious stuff, including running the 99% of worldwide servers and supercomputers. And yes, people also uses linux for gaming: native games, PlayOnLinux, wine...

                Past year, game developers have labelled windows 8 with words such as "catastrophe", "schizophrenic", "obnoxious", and nightmare" and are turning to linux as game platform. Steam already includes several ports of Windows games to linux.

                Oh and people has been playing Call of Duty Black Ops on linux for years...

                Originally posted by startzz View Post
                Yeah, AOL still looks better than any shitty linux DE, plus win8 only has idea of AOL, its looks are very very very good, with best graphics, every element matches other elements, and everything works perfect, so shame on you, buy glasses... Thats one of the big problems of linux, all DEs looks so terrible, and themes for it looks even more horrible, developers must have been very hiiiiiiigh when they made it
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                Actually the most beautiful themes and desktops found in online galleries are those using some linux distro. And they have customization possibilities that windows users cannot even dream...

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
                  That's true, but hey! Phoronix FUDs as usual.
                  I am completely new and don't know but I have just checked that the false conclusion that windows 8 is faster is being spread there out with news/blogs reporting phoronix 'findings'.

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                  • #69
                    Well I have a i5+hd4000 laptop and I do not miss windows 8 bloated UI at all. But it has been know that Intel's driver for windows performs better. The gap as been closing steadily but isn't there yet... The open source Intel driver is alright as it stands, its plays CS:S and DoD:S fine (with a work~around) and it has played good with Wine. It isn't my 1100t+670GTX with Nvidia's BLOB but the OSS driver does the job fine for my little 12 inch.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Rexilion View Post
                      I find that really hard to believe. If Intel is already developing drivers for their hardware, aren't they already giving away all the details?
                      The "cheating" is a bit different (and I don't know that Intel has ever been found to do it, though both AMD and NVIDIA have). The cheating is that the drivers can detect popular benchmarks or games and make changes to the rendered scene to improve performance.

                      A famous example is when one driver cheated hard at LightsMark and did some special culling of the submitted geometry. Users who modified the benchmark found that if you turned the camera around while using said driver, you'd see broken geometry. On other drivers, you'd see the bits of the scene you'd expect.

                      This is a popular tactic for both common benchmarks and newer games. It lets the driver authors publish much higher benchmark numbers for a stock configuration of the application, tricking users into buying their hardware/driver despite the fact that it is no faster in the general case or on app configurations they didn't cheat at, or that games might break if the user does something out of the ordinary on a cheated configuration.

                      That's unlikely in FOSS drivers because all that code is a huge maintenance burden that only helps in marketing products, something that FOSS projects are not generally interested in. Also, spilling the beans on why a particular benchmark is so good kind of defeats the purpose of cheating at the benchmark in the first place.

                      Again, there's no evidence I know of that Intel's Windows drivers are guilty of this at all.

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