Intel Graphics On Ubuntu: GNOME vs. KDE vs. Xfce vs. Unity vs. LXDE

[andre30correia]

gnome wayland the real garbage

[parad0x]

gnome wayland the real garbage

do you know what xwayland is?

[deant]

actualy i am more surpised of the performance of the same game on samo Xorg but on different DMs. Some of the games perform realy bad on XFCE for example which is surpise, as it supposed to be the "light"DM.

[hax0r]

Some of the games perform realy bad on XFCE for example which is surpise, as it supposed to be the "light"DM.

Most likely the compositor is not getting disabled in fullscreen mode for some reason. XFWM4 does have a "Display fullscreen overlay windows directly" option to undirect fullscreen windows, but for certain apps/games it has trouble deactivating compositor.

[dragon321]

Just keep repeating: "Wayland is just a simple protocol." and "Russia meddled in the election." After about 100 repetitions you'll start to believe it.

But Wayland is just a protocol. It's not display server.

[UpsetingFact]

Most likely the compositor is not getting disabled in fullscreen mode for some reason. XFWM4 does have a "Display fullscreen overlay windows directly" option to undirect fullscreen windows, but for certain apps/games it has trouble deactivating compositor.

Was about to ask why such surprising results.
Isn't Xfwm4 supposed to have a lightweight compositor ? There shouldn't even be that much of a performance loss right ?

Besides, XFCE got quite good since 4.12 and it's the second most functionnal DE.
It would even get better if they got more maintainers, but that's only if they switch to C++ and Qt instead of sticking to C and GTK...

What feature is Wayland missing that's keeping it from performing as well as X11?

Wayland is far from finished yet, give it at least 4 years more after Debian -which advocates stability- starts using it.
The problem is, some distributions adopting it way too early while it's still not stable yet.

[UpsetingFact]

It's probably more that most games will currently under wayland use XWayland and thus have a bit of an overhead. We unfortunately wont see that improve for most currently released games, and even with some unreleased games as they target x11 due to that being what Ubuntu 14.04 and 16.04 shipped. We'd probably have better support now had Ubuntu gone with Wayland from the start but then again games companies even on Windows often target older software due to the time it takes to develop large games.

Nothing wrong with such wise decisions.
Companies are not the kind of taking risks nor wasting time dealing with unstable software.

[Slithery]

It would be interesting to see results from launching games in their own X session, without any DE/WM overhead at all.

[torturedutopian]

Regarding KDE, they removed the "unredirect fullscreen apps" options but do what they call "composition suspension" whenever it's asked by the application using the related API : see https://github.com/KDE/kwin/commit/9...47ecfa785871d1

Martin explains all that on his blog.

Of course you can still force the old behaviour on a per-window basis (via the alt-F3 menu).

I guess that might explain some differences in some specific tests.

[treba]

Just keep repeating: "Wayland is just a simple protocol." and "Russia meddled in the election." After about 100 repetitions you'll start to believe it.

If you had some technical understanding of what wayland and xorg are, you wouldn't write what you wrote about wayland.
I don't want to express any opinion about non-technical issues here, but the fact that you make comments about technology you don't understand should maybe make you worry about your comments about politics. Just saying.