i appreciate tiny for their effort to bring forward AMD:s lousy state of things. Hopefully the news around this will result in better drivers or more open firmware that the community can make better.
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Originally posted by User42 View Post
Proper names in English are capitalized. Tiny is free to use lowercase all they want for branding of course but general literature should probably follow general rules instead of the stylistic rule of the moment of a specific company.
FWIW, I prefer the follow the rules way or camel case. I'd prefer SystemD but I force myself to use systemd. I do the same with tiny stuff. I'm defending something I don't agree with doing because this is a news site and technically correct means something with the news.Last edited by skeevy420; 30 March 2024, 04:35 PM.
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Originally posted by varikonniemi View PostThey are trying to enter a market space Bitcoin miners perfected 5 years ago. Give them time, they surely will get "AI" folks served at some point when the miners already have their datacenters up and running for the past year.
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Originally posted by jeisom View PostSeems a bit much for the Nvidia model. Napkin math of $950 for an XTX and the $10,000 difference in price has the 4090s at about $2600 each. Newegg has them starting at $1,800 right now. Obviously it isn't that simple, but still.
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Originally posted by sophisticles View PostSo many things wrong:
1) They sell a computer they call "tinybox", which is 12U in height, or 21 inches, hardly tiny.
Originally posted by sophisticles View Post2) Their website looks like it was designed by a 10 year old back in the early 90's. I tend to favor minimalism, but this is ridiculous.
Originally posted by sophisticles View Post3) They list 144gb vram, how do they get to that? 6 cards that have 24gb vram each? If so, then why 128gb system ram?
Originally posted by sophisticles View PostI can't imagine someone spending $25 to buy something from them, much less $25,000.
Originally posted by sophisticles View PostThe make System76 look good in comparison.
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Yeah that's what I was thinking, too, since 128G is already what I'd spec. for a nominal last-generation (DDR4) general purpose "prosumer" desktop "workstation", and it's easy to want 2x or 4x that.
OTOH IDK how the memory channels are done on this device, I can imagine it has 4-channels and one 32GBy DIMM per channel or something like that. Anyway the point (if any) being I wonder if to expand it to 256GBy they'd have to use
slower RAM speeds or something like that based on the available RAM and the CPU RAM channel capabilities.
It might be the case that there could be some performance hit which may or may not be worth the doubling (or more) of the RAM available.
Of course another consideration is that if "serious users" need more RAM then it's at least a legitimate question as to whether many such users should really just buy ANOTHER entire box to double everything and have a little "cluster" to divide work and compute over. Though the small RAM to VRAM ratio still does seem non-ideal, I'd assume having at least 1.25x the amount of VRAM as RAM would be pretty minimal if one wanted to be able to run the app / OS and also mirror the GPU data on the host RAM if needing to swap in / out new data to the GPUs etc. somewhat efficiently.
Originally posted by zeroepoch View Post128GB RAM is very underwhelming for a system like this. These days that's like the minimum for a data science workstation with just 1 maybe 2 GPUs. The fact that they list more GPU RAM basically makes this point. You have to load models into CPU memory first before you can transfer it to GPU memory.
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Originally posted by sophisticles View PostSo many things wrong:
1) They sell a computer they call "tinybox", which is 12U in height, or 21 inches, hardly tiny.
2) Their website looks like it was designed by a 10 year old back in the early 90's. I tend to favor minimalism, but this is ridiculous.
3) They list 144gb vram, how do they get to that? 6 cards that have 24gb vram each? If so, then why 128gb system ram?
I can't imagine someone spending $25 to buy something from them, much less $25,000.
The make System76 look good in comparison.
6U would not be that "roomy" compared to a consumer full sized ATX chassis's side to side width.
The 12U one might run quieter or be easier to maintain or whatever and if this is going to applications where they're not just ordering whole racks of servers by the job lot but rather one, two, or a few tiny boxes in a small office / server room I'm not sure the size matters much.
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