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I'll chime in that I think this makes perfect sense as well. Look at the nvidia drivers, long considered the golden standard on linux. They don't try to cram everything into 1 driver and maintain it all together. They just dropped all the old drivers at one point, kept them in their own package, and made minor updates to make sure they continued working on new x releases. Mesa should do the same - people can keep building Mesa 7.11 if they need support for the old hardware, while new hardware keeps getting updated in the current versions.
Reading the ML, it looks like everyone was in favor of the move except Luc Verhaegen, who thinks it will be a travesty. That's starting to become a bit of a trend, isn't it?
Edit: Oh, and Mesa devs - guess what would make this move seem even more acceptable to the teeming masses. If it came with the same release that bumped the version to 8.0 and added GL3 support. Hint, Hint.Last edited by smitty3268; 24 August 2011, 10:32 PM.
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Originally posted by smitty3268 View PostI'll chime in that I think this makes perfect sense as well. Look at the nvidia drivers, long considered the golden standard on linux. They don't try to cram everything into 1 driver and maintain it all together. They just dropped all the old drivers at one point, kept them in their own package, and made minor updates to make sure they continued working on new x releases. Mesa should do the same - people can keep building Mesa 7.11 if they need support for the old hardware, while new hardware keeps getting updated in the current versions.
Reading the ML, it looks like everyone was in favor of the move except Luc Verhaegen, who thinks it will be a travesty. That's starting to become a bit of a trend, isn't it?
Edit: Oh, and Mesa devs - guess what would make this move seem even more acceptable to the teeming masses. If it came with the same release that bumped the version to 8.0 and added GL3 support. Hint, Hint.
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Hopefully these old DDX drivers will be killed off too once the 3D drivers go, or just removed from future X.Org katamari releases.
unless using vesa is good enough.
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Originally posted by smitty3268 View PostEdit: Oh, and Mesa devs - guess what would make this move seem even more acceptable to the teeming masses. If it came with the same release that bumped the version to 8.0 and added GL3 support. Hint, Hint.Free Software Developer .:. Mesa and Xorg
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Originally posted by Elv13 View Post4 of my servers still have i810 (865G) VGA port. Of course, vesa would do (they are servers after all), but a -lot- of peoples still have socket 478 based P4. Those computers sold for years mostly unchnaged. You could still buy new ones less than 4 years ago (celeron D with 845G). I think it is way to early to drop this driver.
Originally posted by squirrl View PostThis just proves the obvious fact:
............ Developers can't come up with a stable ABI
What was it Tesla said, "My method is different. I do not rush into actual work. When I get a new idea, I start at once building it up in my imagination, and make improvements and operate the device in my mind. When I have gone so far as to embody everything in my invention, every possible improvement I can think of, and when I see no fault anywhere, I put into concrete form the final product of my brain.?
Jesus, if only more developers would invoke this carnal knowledge.
Another good one:
"If _________ had a needle to find in a haystack, he would proceed at once with the diligence of the bee to examine straw after straw until he found the object of his search.
I was a sorry witness of such doings, knowing that a little theory and calculation would have saved him ninety per cent of his labor.?
Substitute a few peoples names in there it gets hilarious.
Torvalds, Cox, Packard
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Originally posted by squirrl View PostThis just proves the obvious fact:
............ Developers can't come up with a stable ABI
What was it Tesla said, "My method is different. I do not rush into actual work. When I get a new idea, I start at once building it up in my imagination, and make improvements and operate the device in my mind. When I have gone so far as to embody everything in my invention, every possible improvement I can think of, and when I see no fault anywhere, I put into concrete form the final product of my brain.”
Jesus, if only more developers would invoke this carnal knowledge.
Another good one:
"If _________ had a needle to find in a haystack, he would proceed at once with the diligence of the bee to examine straw after straw until he found the object of his search.
I was a sorry witness of such doings, knowing that a little theory and calculation would have saved him ninety per cent of his labor.”
Substitute a few peoples names in there it gets hilarious.
Torvalds, Cox, Packard
...
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Originally posted by cl333r View PostRemember how Intel cleaned up its driver stack? People complained but it was worth it, cause now, like a year and a half later, the Intel driver is waaay better.
So I'm all for another clean up.
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Originally posted by curaga View PostIt was worth it for those with the $new_chips. Entirely not worth it for those with i8xx.
By time Intel decided to remove the cruft, most of the user base of **new** distributions were already using $new_chips instead of obsolete i810 supported devices.
Keep in mind that if you are using an old machine, you're most likely -far- better of with using older, long term distribution (such as SL/CentOS/RHEL as old as 4.x) instead of using Ubuntu and Fedora.
E.g. my PII/333Mhz/MACH64/256MB laptop will most likely use CentOS 5.x till it dies.
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