There is also a gtx 550 now, a tiny bit slower than a gtx 460 (when you get it cheap now maybe a good deal). Amd cards with similar (Win) speed are 5770/6770. I have not seen any Linux benchmarks yet. But i usually would prefer Nvidia - especially for gaming or htpc.
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Originally posted by crazycheese View PostIf I'm to buy HD6990(and water-cooling it in the end), will I be able to use opensource driver with it out of the box? When may it happen (opengl4 patent troubles excluded)? Is there any sense to use opensource with high-end cards?
In principle there is no absolute reason why code could not be shared between proprietary drivers for other OSes and open drivers for Linux, but the practical reason is that we do not have rights to expose internal details for other OSes in the same way that we do for Linux, and so most of the shared code has to remain proprietary (or become hugely more expensive to maintain).
Originally posted by crazycheese View PostIf opensource is not the heavy weight for AMD - will I be able to use the same feature matrix with linux catalyst, that I can use with 580?
Originally posted by crazycheese View PostWhy is catalyst so big, so underfeatured and supporting such short amount of cards?
Last time I looked the proprietary drivers were not that different in size. When you say "underfeatured" can you be more specific ? In terms of support, I believe both drivers support roughly the same number of major hardware generations before going to a legacy model, so the differences are driven more by hardware architecture breaks than by fundamental differences in the driver. We are using open source drivers to provide legacy support rather than updating OS version compatibility with a stable version of the proprietary driver - is that what you are talking about ?Test signature
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Originally posted by crazycheese View PostYes, John, and this is what I respond in all my posts(Im not posting for fun, nor I work for *any* gpu company) you provide 3 developers and support Opengl patent clean-up.
What I object to each time is the blanket statement you make first :
The real downside is that nvidia does not provide official opensource, but AMD does not do that either - only hardware documentation so that basic functionality works.Test signature
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Older ati chips usually work, but when you find the absolutely latest chips in oem pcs you can get into trouble. Then something is always missing, sometimes only a firmware file, without you get nothing, not even a vesa/fb fallback. Happened 2 weeks ago with a hd 6670 card inside a new medion oem pc. No i added the firmware but can not test it anymore.
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Well, if you're going to use EXCLUSIVELY Linux as your OS, I'd recommend you to buy a (argh!) nVidia card, because, ATM, their drivers and HTPC capabilities are (somewhat) more mature than Catalyst. But when Catalyst works (if you're lucky, like me), ATI cards work well on Linux, at most cases (ignore some nVidia fanbois there ).
If you're using a dual-boot Windows/Linux solution, stick with ATI (I'd recommend you a HD5770, at least, for better UVD video / 'minimal' gaming performance). ATI has much better video capabilities than nVidia on Windows, and its video quality is significantly better (HQV2 benchmarks prove that).
Also, I personally think ATI doesn't cheat as much as nVidia with their drivers (on Windows)
Those were my 2c.
Cheers
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Originally posted by bridgman View PostIt's hard to misinterpret "only hardware documentation" -- that's the part I'm actively disagreeing with, and it sounds as if you disagree with it too
To develop hardware and a driver and get support, people are paying money.
What they get instead is card that is unusable without the driver, and driver that you both (amd and nvidia) claim as your own and choose yourself which OS gets better support, effectively controlling the market. Is this the reason you disagree to follow the way of real work for money, instead of lying on the haystack?
As someone said, it is not voters that have power, it is those who make the vote counting machines(with closed source guts).
OpenGL has lasted open exactly till 1.3, till garbage came-in and it has not reduced since then. Khronos doesn't give a damn at the situation and Driect X efficiently makes gaming windows-only. Only nvidia and wine sightly compensate that. It is either proprietary and working or opensource and unusable - I already got the message. The difference though is that nvidia proprietary is still a bit more usable.
Guess when you gain feature parity, open sauce will be throttled behind and people will just pay money supporting the whole mess. AMD is just as proprietary as Nvidia, yet a little bit more educational (see Microsoft/Apple love to xBSD).
I wonder how long OpenCL will have "Open" in its name, or will it have same destiny as "Open"GL? (Hello, Q and 64 core quake3 ray-tracing) I feel, like I live in modernized 15 century - castles, secrets, zero choice and unserious stuff.
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Originally posted by Kano View PostThere is also a gtx 550 now, a tiny bit slower than a gtx 460 (when you get it cheap now maybe a good deal). Amd cards with similar (Win) speed are 5770/6770. I have not seen any Linux benchmarks yet. But i usually would prefer Nvidia - especially for gaming or htpc.
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I was going to recommend a 440 until I started reading reviews and benchmarks of it. You get a mixed bag... better drivers and support, but that radon HD 5760 is cheaper and seemed to perform better, as long as the drivers work well under linux. I haven't had an ati card since the days of the 97/9800s.
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So, 'still can't use ATI with Linux then?
ATI cards are no good for:
* video playback - another fail
* graphics
* games - ATI still no good with Wine
* open source drivers only support limited options
* using newer distros or versions of xorg
In other words, no change in status. ??????????
But, if you use Windows, you're okay...
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Originally posted by Panix View PostSo, 'still can't use ATI with Linux then?
3d - works
XVideo - works
EXA - works
powersaving - works
KMS - works
multiseat - works
xrandr - works
More stable than any blob ever.
Great drivers, great cards. I'm sure you're feeling smug now with your FPS in wine, but if you're so happy, why are you trolling here?
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