A New Kernel Patch Is Being Discussed That's Needed For Newer Windows Games On Wine

[oiaohm]

It does not, but when they are rejecting things like gallium 9 because it is not portable, you don't expect them to do many Linux specific things.

Gallium 9 was not just rejected because it was no portable.

https://wiki.winehq.org/AppDB_Rating_Definitions

Platinum rating here is part of Wine project objectives "Works as well as (or better than) on Windows out of the box.". Gallium 9 being dx9 only meant it fails in fact made applications that were Platinum rating fail because the were horrible dx8/dx9 hybrids or enterprise dx9-dx10-dx11 hybrids.

So doing Linux particular things that get closer to "Works as well as (or better than) on Windows out of the box." for the most number of applications possible. Yes out the box means user does not have to touch a single wine configuration just install and go this is quite a high bar. This high bar is why patches also get stuck in staging for so long at times.

This kernel patch is something that could end up being used by mainline wine because it meeting the works out the box requirement. Please note freebsd has something like it for how it runs Linux binaries that wine could possible use there. OS X users could be left out in the cold but if apple does go arm cpus they are going to be hangover area anyhow.

[ryao]

subj doesn't make wine non-portable

It does not, but when they are rejecting things like gallium 9 because it is not portable, you don't expect them to do many Linux specific things.

[Echo 8]

it doesn't say wine should break linux to the level of freebsd

Where did I say anything like that?

I just pointed out to the people going "%*(@ BSD, only Linux matters" that the Wine project's mission statement disagrees with them. It's like they forgot why wine exists at all.

[pal666]

The wine developers themselves value cross platform portability.

subj doesn't make wine non-portable

[pal666]

From WineHQ front page:

it doesn't say wine should break linux to the level of freebsd

[pal666]

More linuxisms in wine is not a good thing.

for linux users it's good. for marginals it's their self-inflicted pain

Wine already doesn't work on OpenBSD, has problems on NetBSD, fortunately the FreeBSD support is still quite serviceable for the 32bit apps I need to run but I don't see this change getting ported to FreeBSD anytime soon so more modern games that won't run on FreeBSD. Right now the best solution seems to be a ZFS FreeBSD solution for actual work and a separate SSD with WIndows 10 installed for games.

lol, i see correlation between addiction to windows and freebsd. real men just use linux for everything

[pal666]

Can't they intercept the call when the executable is loaded and change it to a normal call?

in general - no. code could be generated at runtime, or jumped to different offsets.

[Entryhazard]

The wine developers themselves value cross platform portability.

they do but they aren't just going to let wine have a missing feature solely because they are able to implement it only on specific platforms

[bitman]

Which ones? I have only heard of Denuvo DRM doing it. Anticheat isn't said to do this.

I am not entirely sure. I know i have seen it in the past, but it was too long ago.

So they're applying hacks by bypassing official APIs and depending on low-level system calls instead. If history is any indication, this will not only cause problems with WINE on Linux, but also once people have upgraded to newer Windows versions, which would cause problems with older software written like this.

It's typical how it's mostly DRM and anti-cheating software that relies on such shenanigans. All examples of pointless client-side security.

Be that as it may, but this is the world we live in. We can take a moral high ground and have linux be as useful as GNU/Hurd, or we can adapt to current reality even if we do not like it.

[oiaohm]

So they should help bsd to catch up.

Its not that straight forwards. Wine project itself is massively under resourced for what they need to-do as well. This kernel patch for Linux is really replicating what freebsd has already in a slightly different way that may turn out better to be taken to freebsd in future.