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  • #31
    Originally posted by PuckPoltergeist View Post

    Sounds reasonable, but is a way back to the "old" user-space fsck instead of self healing filesystem. And this approach is assuming an actual fsck. So just putting a disk with new format into an old server won't work. Let's see how helpful this will be in real life.
    you should check from some primary source the real details, but i'm pretty sure it all happens automatically and transparently. maybe they special cased this?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by yump View Post
      It wouldn't be a bcachefs thread with fitzie prosecuting his labor-intensive vendetta against Kent Overstreet...

      Imagine if you had a guy who read all your work-related email and wrote up weekly commentaries that cast aspersions on your character, like some kind of Truman Show episode recap.

      Here is my vendetta: I've been sponsoring this project for many years (as just a patreon donor), and now he's screwing up, turning his community to a defender of his bad behavior, getting senior linux developers to dislike him, and probably ruining chances for companies to consider engaging with him. What is worse is while he doesn't seem like a bad person, he really spreads a lot of negativity in the world. He needs to change.

      Heres something else that I wrote earlier.

      Sadly I consider his attitude to be a real risk to the adoption of bcachefs. I was a fan and patreon support of bcachefs for many years, and while I'm still hopeful that it will deliver a great capability for linux, I do think it's going to be many years before hyperscalers and distros are willing to engage with it and that's got a lot to do with kent's "style".
      I'm not out to get Kent, I'm out to get Kent to stop being a jerk. if it will make you feel better I will start including some of his good interactions. do let me know.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Jessica View Post
        It is pretty obvious that Kent is neurodivergent / a little autistic. As a neurodivergent person myself, I don't really see a problem with his responses, but I understand not a lot of people appreciate bluntness or directness in that manner.
        It's not only bluntness, that's pretty normal on LKML. Kent seems to be offended personally by technical criticism. This is also typical for neurodivergent persons. This is way more problematic on LKML than bluntness or directness.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by varikonniemi View Post

          you should check from some primary source the real details, but i'm pretty sure it all happens automatically and transparently. maybe they special cased this?
          It will happen, as long fsck knows the on-disk layout. I don't need new enough kernel, I need a new enough fsck

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          • #35
            Originally posted by PuckPoltergeist View Post

            Kent seems to be offended personally by technical criticism.
            Ah okay, I only read the LKML threads and comments that people have linked here and on other Phoronix threads concerning bcachefs, and I've only ever seen the bluntness and directness I've described that others described as jerk behaviour. Haven't seen what I've quoted, but rejection sensitive dypshoria and emotional dysregulation is as you said, common.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by fitzie View Post
              What is worse is while he doesn't seem like a bad person, he really spreads a lot of negativity in the world. He needs to change.

              I'm not out to get Kent, I'm out to get Kent to stop being a jerk.
              A little tip for you: such kind of person (as already mentioned in this thread) doesn't change. The best you can do, if it's applicable, is to ignore all of this.

              The problem is however the project they run - if there is a need to contact with other people, like upstreaming his work to kernel, there will be negative consequences.

              I've know a few (4 I think) such people in the past (and have input only from a dozen of others) and they tend to destroy their own project on the long run, or they quit. It all works well as long as they develop it (mostly) alone, it all falls apart when there's any outer pression; this sometimes leads to forks.

              Your description makes him a good candidate for just another case. If so, this is really a bad news for bcachefs, but this has nothing to do with "being a jerk". This is simply a mental disorder, you cannot blame him for.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by gotar View Post

                (...) but this has nothing to do with "being a jerk". This is simply a mental disorder, you cannot blame him for.
                Nah, it has everything to do with being a jerk. I know all kinds of neurodivergent people and it just doesn't make you a jerk. It can make social interactions more difficult, but people can work around that and still be kind.

                Jerks, on the other hand, like to throw out their supposed neurodivergency as a defense when people complain about their jerk behavior.

                I also think calling neurodivergency a "mental disorder" is not only wrong but also harmful. The point of the term is to explain that you don't have to have a mental disorder to fall outside the "neurotypical".

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by nadir View Post
                  I also think calling neurodivergency a "mental disorder" is not only wrong but also harmful. The point of the term is to explain that you don't have to have a mental disorder to fall outside the "neurotypical".
                  I'm not talking about "neurodivergency", but autism-like disorders - if that was not clear (just look at how small numbers I've used). It's also typical that autist people can be outstanding in some disciplines, so it shouldn't surprise some might create a brilliant IT project working alone.

                  Anyway that was not the point - the main claim was that it's a bad sign for a future of such project, despite being superior or ahead of it's time. And that noone can do much about it, it's just the way it is.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by fitzie View Post
                    Here is my vendetta: I've been sponsoring this project for many years (as just a patreon donor), and now he's screwing up, turning his community to a defender of his bad behavior, getting senior linux developers to dislike him, and probably ruining chances for companies to consider engaging with him.
                    Turning public discussions of bcachefs into referenda on Kent's behavior is more likely to risk the future of bcachefs by speaking FUD into being than it is to change Kent, IMO.

                    Keep this in mind.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by gotar View Post

                      A little tip for you: such kind of person (as already mentioned in this thread) doesn't change. The best you can do, if it's applicable, is to ignore all of this.
                      Well, behaviour therapy can help in such cases.

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