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Originally posted by Candy View Post
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We have different use cases and address different solutions than you and your small company.
There is no such thing as right or wrong. It's all about compatibility and trust. We need to trust a company for delivering compatible stuff. We don't pay a company for being told how to do things *differently than before*. We pay them because we rely on compatibility and trust. If this is not given anymore then your argument is right. We need to seek an alternative solution where we spent the money in compatibility and trust.
At the end it's all about money.
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Originally posted by tuxd3v View Post
more bla, bla bla bla..
EDIT: btw, you can't demand respect. you have to earn it.Last edited by stefansaraev; 02 January 2019, 05:20 PM.
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Originally posted by hreindl View Postso it looks you are doing something wrong while i do something right
We have different use cases and address different solutions than you and your small company.
There is no such thing as right or wrong. It's all about compatibility and trust. We need to trust a company for delivering compatible stuff. We don't pay a company for being told how to do things *differently than before*. We pay them because we rely on compatibility and trust. If this is not given anymore then your argument is right. We need to seek an alternative solution where we spent the money in compatibility and trust.
At the end it's all about money.
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Originally posted by hreindl View Postit was implicit agreed by all and for guys like you a own distribution was created
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Originally posted by tuxd3v View PostIn my opinion someone should not put a young person on front of the real Unix based systems, if it doesn´t bear in mind the spirit of Linux and Unix Philosophy.
A lot has changed within the past 2 decades that I've been using Linux. Some stuff for the better, some stuff for the worse.
I clearly can not recommend any RHEL product anymore within a corporate environment - based on the development of Fedora. A new convervative approach is needed. Maybe Windows 2019 Server or Debian.
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Originally posted by hreindl View Post
and THAT is the problem, you once thought you are done with learning
nobody, it's systemd without capitals and what the fuck is the windows context you see?
mysqld, httpd... all windows - seriously?
fact is that even Unix veterans declared that it was long overdue to replace sysvinit because it has no real concepts at all and was just working somehow all the years and nobody had the balls to replace it with something solve all that mess while other Unix systems did years ago
The knowledge aquired gives you a better vision around, the ecosystem..
SystemD, born SystemD, and that is a fact, that´s why I put the question to at least 20 years experienced personnel..
everybody Understands that changes need to be made, but a forced solution that doesn´t solve the real daily problems in reality and has a lot of scripts and files for the same thing is not a good approach..
Also the dependability is a big risk..
And worst, to change and adapt something...you need to recompile it from source and deploy it...its not even practical at all.
In my opinion someone should not put a young person on front of the real Unix based systems, if it doesn´t bear in mind the spirit of Linux and Unix Philosophy.
It can cooperate yes, he can present ideias, yes of course, but never drive the boat...its a very costly risk, and we start to see it now..
Above all, it should be created by many parts, has possible, an Abstract API, to control processes sockets and so on..
This API should be agreed by all, and should works for all systems the same way, regarding that inputs and outputs are in same format..
If this have been done, today you would not be here discussing about this problem in first place..
But everything was done with the interest of one company only, and that is very bad, because an Init system is a very important thing..
In my opinion, it should also be based in a interpreted language as much as possible( so that some one can consult code on-the-fly ) with addon plugins extensions
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Originally posted by hreindl View Postwhen people talking bullshit all the time and it stands without correction others which don't know if it's right or wrong sooner or later take that shit as truth if it's only often enough repeated by a loud minority of fools
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