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Valve doesnt have any choice but to stick with X. If they move to Wayland they screw Canonical. If they move to Mir they screw everyone else. What's unfortunate is that if Mir never existed this wouldnt be an issue at all. There is already too much fragmentation. What Mir adds pushes it past a tipping point. Canonical should be forced to die. (yes, a.k.a murdered.)Last edited by duby229; 19 June 2013, 07:50 PM.
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Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostHowever, the professional market only uses legacy applications.
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Originally posted by Vim_User View PostWhy should they? Gnome will have full Wayland support soon, the same is true for KDE, so the main desktops that are used by the two main enterprise distributions support Wayland. Wayland will is faster and more secure than X, so there remains only one reason not to use Wayland: legacy applications. But since things like XWayland exist this reason is not valid, so it is the only logical step to go to Wayland once the enterprise distributions think it is stable enough.
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Originally posted by curaga View PostWhat makes you think the professional market will move to either, instead of staying on X for the next decade?
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Originally posted by Mike Frett View PostThat's find and dandy, but what about Nvidia and AMD drivers?. If Canonical gets it's way, we may have NV and AMD telling us that if we want drivers then we need to move to Mir. And that's the whole ballgame. because I see zero point in using something with hacked drivers and no 3D support. Past two days I've been on mailing lists and IRC channels and there isn't a soul that knows anything yet. It's all in wait-and-see mode with a lot of finger pointing.
Nvidia and AMD are supposed to stop supporting RedHat and SUSE so they can support Ubuntu exclusively? In other words, stop supporting their main customer base, so they can support the vast Ubuntu gaming community?
Binary blobs are primarily workstation drivers. Running games is an accident. Linux gamers are a very vocal minority, but they are not their market.
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Originally posted by pumrel View PostIf there is not to be a 3D support for Wayland well then I think there is no point in using it. Moreover if Valve is targeting Ubuntu, then obviously AMD and Nvidia are going to preferentially write drivers for Ubuntu too. In that case I will be forced to ditch KDE in favor of accelerated Unity.
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Originally posted by Mike Frett View PostThat's find and dandy, but what about Nvidia and AMD drivers?. If Canonical gets it's way, we may have NV and AMD telling us that if we want drivers then we need to move to Mir. And that's the whole ballgame. because I see zero point in using something with hacked drivers and no 3D support. Past two days I've been on mailing lists and IRC channels and there isn't a soul that knows anything yet. It's all in wait-and-see mode with a lot of finger pointing.
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Originally posted by smitty3268 View PostSeriously, guys, it's obvious and it's been obvious for a long time that NVidia is planning to support both Wayland and Mir. Both, because supporting either one essentially gives you support for both.
And while AMD's fglrx plans are unknown, they'll obviously match any support NVidia has. The only question is how long it will take them before they get around to doing it.
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I have complete confidence Nvidia will support Wayland
Here's why:
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