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Originally posted by Vim_User View PostI can only again quote the developer that ported Gnome to OpenBSD:Emphasis by me. I don't see any reason for him to lie about that.
I never said they should fix it. But if they use features that aren't available on other platforms they hardly can claim to have portability as declared aim.
That is not at all what I said. Of course they can and should use any Linux features they want to use. But they should have the balls to say: "Look, we make use of these features that are not available for other platforms and actually we don't care. We are Linux only, we don't care about portability!".
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Originally posted by RahulSundaram View PostNonsense. Noone is ever actively trying to make it harder to run on non-linux systems.While some people are really opened about keeping fallback code for ConsoleKit or portability
patches, some don't care at all or are even getting in our way on purpose.
Just that Linux as a kernel provides more functionality and features that GNOME integrates with and if other operating systems lack those features, it is not the job of desktop environment developers to fix it.
If your suggestion is that GNOME should target only the lowest common base functionality and nothing else in the name of portability and avoid innovating and taking advantage of the things Linux is good at just because OpenBSD doesn't have resources to catch up on evolving interfaces, I strongly disagree with that notion.
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Originally posted by RahulSundaram View PostSince you are being lazy, let me show you a reference to backup my claim
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desk.../msg00062.html
This function (action_suspend) AFAIR directly called systemd the last time I checked. It also does not use upower but logind. I started to browse the history, and that is where I got lazy, as there are many commits...
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Originally posted by schmalzler View PostGrrr! upower has nothing to do with suspending your computer! At least in gnome... It's done in gnome-settings-daemon's power-plugin. But it seems as if they changed direct systemd-calls to dbus-calls for logind. But it might be I am too lazy and those calls still exist. Last time I checked there WERE direct calls to systemd (not proxied by dbus) for suspend/Hibernate.
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Originally posted by schmalzler View PostGrrr! upower has nothing to do with suspending your computer! At least in gnome... It's done in gnome-settings-daemon's power-plugin. But it seems as if they changed direct systemd-calls to dbus-calls for logind. But it might be I am too lazy and those calls still exist. Last time I checked there WERE direct calls to systemd (not proxied by dbus) for suspend/Hibernate.
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Originally posted by RahulSundaram View PostAgain, wrong. Neither of you have apparently looked up why. upower interfaces have changed and OpenBSD doesn't support the newer interfaces. GNOME relies on upower for power management but it is an freedesktop component and not a GNOME module. Complaining about upower changes to GNOME project is pointless.
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Originally posted by schmalzler View PostFirst read Vim_users full post, and then answer again, especially tell us where you read that BSDs don't support suspend/Hibernate/... Because that is where where gnome currently depends hard on systemd. And that's what Gnome developers sell as being not an important feature...
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Originally posted by RahulSundaram View PostNonsense. Noone is ever actively trying to make it harder to run on non-linux systems. Just that Linux as a kernel provides more functionality and features that GNOME integrates with and if other operating systems lack those features, it is not the job of desktop environment developers to fix it. If your suggestion is that GNOME should target only the lowest common base functionality and nothing else in the name of portability and avoid innovating and taking advantage of the things Linux is good at just because OpenBSD doesn't have resources to catch up on evolving interfaces, I strongly disagree with that notion.
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Originally posted by Vim_User View PostSure, he is entitled to his opinion as is everybody else. What I am criticizing here is that Gnome developers speak one way to their users, but act different. Of course the Gnome developers have the choice to develop their DE as they see fit. If that way is reducing choice or complexity so be it, but they propagate that they would give the people the choice on which system they can run Gnome, while they in reality only support Linux and some of them even actively try to make it harder to run on anything not Linux.
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