GNOME Gets A Log Viewer For Systemd's Journal

[RahulSundaram]

is this available in Fedora's repositories?

can't find it

I don't think it is mature enough to be in distro repos yet but I am sure it will get in soon. Meanwhile

https://ask.fedoraproject.org/question/9299/solved-how-do-i-view-logs-on-fedora/

[quickbooks.office]

is this available in Fedora's repositories?

can't find it

[Vim_User]

How cute, you missed the main parts of all the discussion:
* It is not only about KDE
* Other platforms than Linux are easy to add (if you are not happy with LGPLed QPA)
* They were and are discussing the addition of Windows/Mac/... to the Agreement, but there are (possible) legal issues with the proprietary nature of those platforms
* The other answers state that it is about "X11 or its successor", and as you read Phoronix most people agree that Wayland is sort of a successor of X11 - that's probably the part "easy to add".

Isn't it funny that he not only was incapable of extracting these points from the quote, but how he conveniently "forgot" to answer your question about Webkit-GTK? Honton/funkSTAR has brought himself in a position where anything he says that is not a blatant lie proves himself to be wrong or at least a serious hypocrite.

[schmalzler]

How cute, you missed the main parts of all the discussion:
* It is not only about KDE
* Other platforms than Linux are easy to add (if you are not happy with LGPLed QPA)
* They were and are discussing the addition of Windows/Mac/... to the Agreement, but there are (possible) legal issues with the proprietary nature of those platforms
* The other answers state that it is about "X11 or its successor", and as you read Phoronix most people agree that Wayland is sort of a successor of X11 - that's probably the part "easy to add".

[TheBlackCat]

Thank you for confirming that the agreement is useless and can never serve as safeguard.

What?! I confirmed that the agreement serves as a powerful safeguard. If they don't keep up their end of the bargain, then they lose their ability to commercially license pretty much all of Qt, and the few remaining bits are open-source.

And I notice you completely and totally ignored my answer to your second question.

[TheBlackCat]

Thank you for confirming that the agreement does NOT cover commercial Qt or Free Qt for non-Linux or Wayland.

That is right. If Qt doesn't make a regular release, the Linux and Android versions become BSD, while the remainder stays LGPL. Pretty much everything becomes BSD with the exception of a few platform-specific bits which have to remain LGPL. How horrible.

Now I would like to know how the agreement stops Digia from launching addons? It did not stop the Chart libraries. Please quote the agreement, where you found this.

Everyone can release addons for Qt, not just Digia. Everyone can release addons for GTK+, also.

[AnonymousCoward]

Thank you quoting the text. They say like me:
Only Free Qt for a limited number of Linux platforms is covered. Nothing else, and Wayland is excluded for now.

So? The bulk of Qt is covered, and the point of the agreement isn't to free all of Qt from the GPL in case Digia misbehaves. The point is to discourage Digia from offering closed "value-added" Qt versions, since if Qt gets a permissive license due to Digia's (in)actions, everyone else has the opportunity to make closed versions of Qt as well (even if they may have to rewrite a little bit of platform-specific code).

[schmalzler]

Let me help you:

https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2013q3/000146.html

I will quote and add some extra outlining to preserve you from reading the wrong text...

As a board member of the KDE Free Qt Foundation, I will give some quick
answers here while I consider how to communicate these facts to the wider
public. Please feel free to quote my answer, or to link to this email in a
mailing list archive.

1. The KDE Free Qt Foundation aims to protect all developers using the Free
Software called Qt. The contracts are therefore not limited to KDE. As one of
the largest volunteer-driven Free Software communities, KDE is well placed to
be the stewards of the interests of Free Software developers in general.

2. The LGPL licence of all current Qt releases allows use in both proprietary
and Free Software applications and contains to platform-specific restrictions.
This licence grant cannot be retroactively taken away by Digia. In addition,
the KDE Free Qt Foundation can also relicense Qt under a different open source
licence (such as BSD) for general, even more permissive use. The Foundation
agreed not do so as long as Digia continues to release Qt as LGPL and with
support for at least desktop Linux and Android (?Qt Free Edition?).

3. The contract with Nokia and Digia covers desktop Linux (X11, Wayland can be
easily added in the future). Digia has signed a second agreement which also
includes Android (Necessitas) and is identical to the first agreement in all
other aspects. Both agreements prohibit Digia from releasing a sub-standard
version of Qt as ?Qt Free Edition?. In other words: The desktop Linux version
cannot be incomplete compared to the Windows and Mac versions, and the Android
version cannot be incomplete compared to the other mobile platforms.

4. The differences between the various platforms have massively decreased
during the last years. The same codebase is used for the various platforms,
with minimal platform-specific code paths. This makes it more easy for third
parties to provide support for platforms not officially included in Digia?s LGPL
releases. We have opened discussions on whether to include the Windows and
MacOS platforms (first with Nokia, then with Digia), but we have not reached
any decisions yet given the legals pitfalls caused by the proprietary nature
of these platforms. For example, we do not know whether Microsoft or Apple
will prohibit or punish the development of LGPL-licensed libraries for their
platforms (cf. AppStore rules). Please feel free to contact me if you have
thoughts on this topic.

The legal framework of the KDE Free Qt Foundation is now more than 15 years
old (see http://kde.org/community/whatiskde/k...foundation.php).
During this time, Trolltech was bought by Nokia, and Nokia sold Qt to Digia.
We had anticipated such contingencies and included very strong legal language
in the agreement and managed to ensure the continued validity of the
protection in all such cases. In addition to protecting Free Software users of
Qt, we have also accompanied various positive evolutions (relicensing to LGPL,
inclusion of the Android platform, and especially the open governance of the
Qt Project).

I invite developers using (or potential using) Qt to contact me with comments,
doubts, questions or constructive feedback on our work.

Now that this was finally cleared you can tell us why you support a DE, that uses (and actively gives back to) an evil company: why is it OK to use and support WebKit-GTK?

[schmalzler]

People should stop believing lies about the Free Qt agreement. First step is to read the agreement and realize it only covers the already free version of Qt for a few linux systems not including Wayland.

And you should really read the link mgraesslin posted in your own infamous "KDE kills Gnome" thread (or was it the other way arround?). A long mailing list thread about the very same topic. And they see it quite relaxed

BTW.: You still did not tell me why in your little scary world) it is OK to hard depend on Apple WebKit but not on Qt...

[intellivision]

This really doesn't matter either way since Qt is available on more platforms and the EFL's are lighter and has the same features as GTK+, so really there's not much of a reason for GTK+ these days.