KDE 4.9.3 November Update Fixes 86 Bugs

[Iksf]

I hop between KDE and other desktops pretty regularly, never had any real problems since 4.5 odd

[orzel]

Well it is not a lie, it is my experience. I have openSUSE 12.2 (KDE) installed on a Dell Inspiron Mini 10 1012 (very low end), a desktop with intel Core2Quad (2ghz), 4GB RAM, ati radeon 4770 (mid-range) and another desktop with intel i5 (2,8ghz), 16GB RAM, ati radeon 5770 (higher-mid-range :-D). It works very good on all of them with a standard installation (nothing removed, opengl compositing activated and just some additional applications installed).

Several GHz and several Gigabytes ? See..... it's exactly my point. I dont want such high requirements for a desktop environment. Even OpenGL shouldn't be mandatory.

None of the computers (mostly laptops) i was speaking about have that much and they are few years old, not two decades old.
Even on my main computer (amd [email protected], 12G of ram), KDE is slow, takes insane amount of ram, and i had to disable the usual crapware for the desktop just to be usable. 6 months ago. i have to admit i dont try every point release. The changelogs are empty, and most packages doesn't have even a line of difference with the previous version...

[droste]

That's the common lies coming from KDE. Even recently, i had to remove KDE from lots of user computers I administrate. I used to spend time "fixing" their KDE by removing everything related to nepomuk+strigi+plasma, which usually is enough to bring it back to a usable state, but i got fed up of this too.
Those were the typical kubuntu, centos, debian stuff, updated, so nothing like the even uglier early kde4.
It seems so common to say this, but KDE is such a bloatware nowadays. Which we used to say about windows or gnome by the time. (yes, "we", i used to be quite a big KDE fan).

Well it is not a lie, it is my experience. I have openSUSE 12.2 (KDE) installed on a Dell Inspiron Mini 10 1012 (very low end), a desktop with intel Core2Quad (2ghz), 4GB RAM, ati radeon 4770 (mid-range) and another desktop with intel i5 (2,8ghz), 16GB RAM, ati radeon 5770 (higher-mid-range :-D). It works very good on all of them with a standard installation (nothing removed, opengl compositing activated and just some additional applications installed).

I'm not saying it works everywhere, but I haven't found a system where it doesn't work. I'm also not saying you are a liar and you haven't had/have these problems. I'm just sharing my view on this ;-).

[Akka]

That's the common lies coming from KDE. Even recently, i had to remove KDE from lots of user computers I administrate. I used to spend time "fixing" their KDE by removing everything related to nepomuk+strigi+plasma, which usually is enough to bring it back to a usable state, but i got fed up of this too.
Those were the typical kubuntu, centos, debian stuff, updated, so nothing like the even uglier early kde4.
It seems so common to say this, but KDE is such a bloatware nowadays. Which we used to say about windows or gnome by the time. (yes, "we", i used to be quite a big KDE fan).

....lol...

[orzel]

You should have done it the other way around (wait 2 years then use it). KDE is way more stable than 2 years ago. It is true that there might be bugs (I can see none in the stuff I'm using), but that doesn't mean it's unusable.

That's the common lies coming from KDE. Even recently, i had to remove KDE from lots of user computers I administrate. I used to spend time "fixing" their KDE by removing everything related to nepomuk+strigi+plasma, which usually is enough to bring it back to a usable state, but i got fed up of this too.
Those were the typical kubuntu, centos, debian stuff, updated, so nothing like the even uglier early kde4.
It seems so common to say this, but KDE is such a bloatware nowadays. Which we used to say about windows or gnome by the time. (yes, "we", i used to be quite a big KDE fan).

[droste]

I have stopped using KDE 2 years ago because i was fed up to fill bugs every day. None of them has been fixed, few of them have had updates from kde dev, and lot of them got confirmation from other users.

You should have done it the other way around (wait 2 years then use it). KDE is way more stable than 2 years ago. It is true that there might be bugs (I can see none in the stuff I'm using), but that doesn't mean it's unusable.

[funkSTAR]

I have stopped using KDE 2 years ago because i was fed up to fill bugs every day. None of them has been fixed, few of them have had updates from kde dev, and lot of them got confirmation from other users.

True. I had a quick look at the latest KDE commit digest and compared it to last year. KDE have 50 contributors during one year. So you can expect less developers giving a shit about your bugs. They will bitrot.

KDE lost its place to Unity. What a nice death lol.

[orzel]

stop using ubuntu and other distribution who are not able to polish kde... and you will have not problem with kde desktop.

Come on, no distribution can fix the mess that KDE has become. I guess SuSE is the one with best KDE integration, and this probably cost them a LOT of time/money to be so.

Just have a look at bugs.kde.org and see by yourself.

I have stopped using KDE 2 years ago because i was fed up to fill bugs every day. None of them has been fixed, few of them have had updates from kde dev, and lot of them got confirmation from other users.

[Awesomeness]

Digikam has been glitchy up until the past year, and k3b has been around so long it's actually the oldest program I remember, so it had time to mature. On top of that, k3b is a frontend (to the same programs that most other linux cd burning programs use), and correct me if I'm wrong but amarok is a frontend too.

And digiKam is a front-end to libjpeg, libpng, etc.?

compare the kde 4.9.3 article with the gnome 3.5.3 article. Just for fun.

There are a few very simple reasons for that:
1.) SC releases don't get that many new features these days because the developers are concentrating on modernizing existing features. Frameworks 5, where most engineering effort is going in, are in development since quite some time ? if the KDE devs stick to the regular 6 months cycle, KF 5.0 should be released in summer 2013. Plasma applets are being rewritten in QML ? ideally looking and behaving almost exactly as the C++ versions.
When code is completely rewritten, it is a big change but what else would you write instead of ?rewritten in QML??
2.) Phoronix often features KWin separately.
3.) Qt is developed independently, whereas GTK is part of the GNOME project, so GTK changes should obviously be part of GNOME changelogs.

[ShadowBane]

Mature software loses its bugs, NOT its developers. So KDE is not maturing it is dying. It us quite funny to watch the vocal few in a total denial of the obvious. LuLz.

Gnome and unity is of course another story.

Mature projects gain and lose developers on a regular basis. I have seen nothing to indicate that there has been an exodus of KDE devs.