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Originally posted by linuxgeex View Post
I still feel the best thing that happened to the Linux Desktop was KDE 3.10. It was a very stable and seamless experience, relatively lightweight still, had a highly integrated browser and file manager which nothing has come close to matching since.
In those days I was developing in Kate with Konsole embedded, designing with Gimp, Inkscape, and Blender, and doing almost everything else entirely in Konqueror... everything from playing Flash and Java games, to watching videos, messaging, editing documents, managing local and remote files and archives...
Back then Konqueror was one of the most compatible browsers on the planet, with Chrome and Safari adopting its web engine KHTML, Apple and Google contributing to the Webkit fork, and Konqueror bringing that back home to KDE.
There was great remote desktop functionality both as server and client, the KMail email client had features I still sorely miss to this day, like auto-classifying mail into folders, expiring mail from one folder to another based on rules so you could have folders "Today, Yesterday, Last Week" etc and with IMAP you could even have it migrate mail between accounts on different remote servers for groupware, or just to keep chintzy accounts within quota.
KWin's window management was second to none, but you could also run Compiz for wobbly windows if you were into that. KWin's compositing was fast and flicker free, didn't incur multi-frame latency like GNOME still does today. And it played well with multi-monitor, even with rotated/scaled displays and custom resolutions.
GNOME 3's multi-monitor support is caca. If you rotate a monitor and scale it, scaling is engaged for all displays, with huge performance consequences. It also breaks vsync so there's tearing and the mouse just plain disappears in some regions of the screen.
Having said that I'm using Gnome 3.38.3 today because Xfce is a hot mess on Ubuntu 20.04+, KDE Plasma's docks won't play well with my multi-monitor setup, Trinity's support apps are painfully outdated...
I'm seriously considering going back to Ubuntu 18.04 for the much more stable Xfce version, and to get this heavy-and-buggy-albeit-well-featured GNOME off my back lol. Ah but then I would lose AV1 and HEIF support. Sigh.
Yes, Gnome 3 multi-monitor handling is pure crap. Many use the multi-monitor add-on extension to circumvent that.
Wobbly windows have made their come back to Gnome last June, and the new extension works extremely well. It's smooth, soft and as soothing as a water fountain. When going back to Windows (forced for work) or to Budgie, moving monolithic window blocks feels like a game stuttering for fps. Along with Unite and GS Connect extensions, it's the only hindrance left for me to move entirely to the more flexible Budgie (they have a 1/100th of Gnome's resources and they manage to maintain 10x more options).Last edited by Mez'; 19 March 2021, 09:01 PM.
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Originally posted by Mez' View PostClassic 2011 Canonical is the best thing that has ever happened to the Linux world. The wonderful days of Unity and Ubuntu One. Probably the best years of the Linux desktop [...]
In those days I was developing in Kate with Konsole embedded, designing with Gimp, Inkscape, and Blender, and doing almost everything else entirely in Konqueror... everything from playing Flash and Java games, to watching videos, messaging, editing documents, managing local and remote files and archives...
Back then Konqueror was one of the most compatible browsers on the planet, with Chrome and Safari adopting its web engine KHTML, Apple and Google contributing to the Webkit fork, and Konqueror bringing that back home to KDE.
There was great remote desktop functionality both as server and client, the KMail email client had features I still sorely miss to this day, like auto-classifying mail into folders, expiring mail from one folder to another based on rules so you could have folders "Today, Yesterday, Last Week" etc and with IMAP you could even have it migrate mail between accounts on different remote servers for groupware, or just to keep chintzy accounts within quota.
KWin's window management was second to none, but you could also run Compiz for wobbly windows if you were into that. KWin's compositing was fast and flicker free, didn't incur multi-frame latency like GNOME still does today. And it played well with multi-monitor, even with rotated/scaled displays and custom resolutions.
GNOME 3's multi-monitor support is caca. If you rotate a monitor and scale it, scaling is engaged for all displays, with huge performance consequences. It also breaks vsync so there's tearing and the mouse just plain disappears in some regions of the screen.
Having said that I'm using Gnome 3.38.3 today because Xfce is a hot mess on Ubuntu 20.04+, KDE Plasma's docks won't play well with my multi-monitor setup, Trinity's support apps are painfully outdated...
I'm seriously considering going back to Ubuntu 18.04 for the much more stable Xfce version, and to get this heavy-and-buggy-albeit-well-featured GNOME off my back lol. Ah but then I would lose AV1 and HEIF support. Sigh.Last edited by linuxgeex; 19 March 2021, 08:01 PM.
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Originally posted by om26er View Post
They should change their headline from 'truly cross-platform' to 'platforms that matter'.
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This is a really awkward mixture which honestly makes no sense to me at all outside to try to appeal to android devs to bring apps to their store and i don't think it will work well for them either
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Google Bad.
Canonical Bad.
Google Flutter UI Toolkit Bad.
If I could unsubscribe from anything with the keyword "Google" and "Canonical" I would be happier.
Originally posted by 60Hz View PostWhy would any developer care about anything Canonical says or recommends? They've proven themselves time and time again to be completely incompetent.
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Originally posted by chocolate View PostClassic 2011+ Canonical, always trying to disrupt the Linux ecosystem, always making the wrong choice (except when backtracking).
Snaps are horrible (but the lesser of two evils versus flatpacks), and I'm not saying Flutter is a good move, but whenever Canonical has been going its own way, its popularity has skyrocketed, since their visions is clearly very appealing to normal users, the majority. They need to pursue their vision (mistakes included) for the sake of the Linux desktop. For others, there is Red Hat, and it means we will have the choice. Choice is good.
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Originally posted by mppix View Post
just to end on the g-graveyard in 2 years?
ubuntu is not even close to be profitable enough for google.. (unless the view it as AD platform similar to android but then it is not even close to popular enough)
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Originally posted by om26er View Post
I thought Canonical is preparing for an IPO, now that they are (slightly) profitable. The layoffs actually took place to make Canonical profitable and make it ready for an IPO, so that the company could expand.
ubuntu is not even close to be profitable enough for google.. (unless the view it as AD platform similar to android but then it is not even close to popular enough)Last edited by mppix; 19 March 2021, 06:33 PM.
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Originally posted by lowlands View PostSince Microsoft still has not bought Canonical I guess they are now trying with Google?
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