KDE Plasma 5.21 Now In Beta With Much Improved Wayland Support

[theriddick]

what happens when you install stuff like Skype, does it still break the task manager tray icon click space and cause the click zone to be offset on wrong side of screen? I'm probably only person who experienced this, could be a 4k issue also.

[zoomblab]

I have one thing to say to (K)Ubuntu. You enable disruptive changes right after and as early as possible after the LTS release. That means if we want Wayland default for 22.04 it should have been done by 20.10 or 21.04 the latest. The last six months suffice only for bug fixing and polishing. That also means that you plan big changes of the next next LTS during the next LTS preparation time.

This is like commons sense to me though I think we lack much of it. I am curious whether we will see things like wayland and pipewire before next LTS. I am not holding my breath.

Kubuntu 20.04 is excellent though.

[darkbasic]

Why even bother with Kde when it Plasma Wayland is still at a beta stage, at best?

Because KDE has been my main desktop environment for the past 20 years?

[JackLilhammers]

Pointless, it's broken since forever and everybody knows it. Besides I'm tired of the poor state of Plasma on Wayland and I've recently switched to Gnome.

Well, if not using Wayland is a deal breaker for you. Gnome is pretty much your only option for now. Why even bother with Kde when it Plasma Wayland is still at a beta stage, at best?

[darkbasic]

Bug report?

Pointless, it's broken since forever and everybody knows it. Besides I'm tired of the poor state of Plasma on Wayland and I've recently switched to Gnome.

[bug77]

And no one can fix that. Xwayland is like X, fixed in terms of scaling. Lets say we deal with 200% scaling. So you either render the window half the resolution and scale it up, things have the right size but are blurry, or you render it at native resolution, then things are not blurry but tiny.

If it can render than scale, I see no reason it can't render at native resolution and scale down. It won't look perfect, but most likely better than scaling up.

[aufkrawall]

Wrong, they could fix their compositor so that Firefox doesn't crash on Wayland so you won't have to use it under XWayland.

Bug report?

[darkbasic]

And no one can fix that. Xwayland is like X, fixed in terms of scaling. Lets say we deal with 200% scaling. So you either render the window half the resolution and scale it up, things have the right size but are blurry, or you render it at native resolution, then things are not blurry but tiny.

Wrong, they could fix their compositor so that Firefox doesn't crash on Wayland so you won't have to use it under XWayland.

[aufkrawall]

The article is a bit too much fixated on Wayland. Actually KWin's vsync on Xorg was much more needy of improvements and works well now (with non-mixed refresh rates only, of course). Though of course the Wayland improvements are great too and it gets more and more usable.

I btw. just got rid of any launcher in my taskbar and rely only on krunner. It really is a keeper.

[qarium]

And no one can fix that. Xwayland is like X, fixed in terms of scaling. Lets say we deal with 200% scaling. So you either render the window half the resolution and scale it up, things have the right size but are blurry, or you render it at native resolution, then things are not blurry but tiny.

sure you can fix that by AI deep learning upscalling. you can try it manuelly with vector grafic editor you vectorize a pixel image and then you scale it up. nvidia DLSS2 and AMD super resolution does this in hardware.

this is maybe not PERFECT but the result will be much better than what we have now.