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Originally posted by gbcox View Post
I can't speak for any of the distributions you listed but Fedora is definitely a mainstream distribution and it has decent KDE support and an active community that reports bugs. I use KDE heavily every single day and haven't noticed any issues. Has been working perfectly fine for me. Does that mean bugs don't exist?, of course not, but I would venture to guess that most people aren't experiencing issues. As far as the previous comment about the Windows like interface... to state the obvious... that is what the vast majority of people like and use. I haven't spoken to anyone who likes the default Gnome interface, and the people I know that do use Gnome install a bunch of extensions to make it look like... wait for it... KDE or Windows. The Gnome designers jumped the shark with their interface "vision". Many years later and now they're trying to fix the extensions Frankenstein monster they created to keep the villagers from storming the gates. Good luck with that.
As for the interface...yeah, that's what I do to GNOME too. I'm not really into the mobile based appearances for a desktop. Mobile includes laptops with 13" screens that are better suited to full screen programs versus multiple floating windows.
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That's why I've always been partial to Arch. Just enough patching to make things work together.
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Originally posted by aksdb View Post
I care. I would hate that. I like my software optimized. Wasted RAM means I can open one, two or three programs less. I don't want to constantly upgrade my hardware just because developers get more lazy (looking at Electron here).
The desktop environment is a means to an end. I need some interface to interact with the computer, but I only need that to start and manage the programs that perform my actual tasks. So the DE should be as small as possible while offering as much assistance as possible. KDE currently hits that extremely well. It's small (in regards to resource usage) yet has VERY MUCH to offer.
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Originally posted by skeevy420 View PostKDE has another downside over GNOME related to being manned and that's the amount of distributions that support it in a quality manner. Most all Debian/Ubuntu and based have horrid at best support usually due to a combination of Debian's update policy and Ubuntu focusing on GNOME. There goes 2/3s of all Linux users with substandard KDE support giving bug reports that might as well not matter
Years ago, when I tried openSUSE for a while, their KDE 4 had some weird bugs that I couldn't reproduce on Fedora, a distro that (mostly) avoids patching stuff all over, and when they do it's a small modification like adding "Konsole" to a context menu for the desktop.
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Originally posted by tildearrow View Post
SDDM in a window bug:
- You log out
- KWin crashes while logging out and somehow it survives (rather than being killed by SDDM restarting)
- KWin restarts itself and the magic cookie is ignored
- KWin takes over the X session (which runs SDDM) and turns SDDM in a window
I'll post a video of the issues later
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Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post
KDE has another downside over GNOME related to being manned and that's the amount of distributions that support it in a quality manner. Most all Debian/Ubuntu and based have horrid at best support usually due to a combination of Debian's update policy and Ubuntu focusing on GNOME. There goes 2/3s of all Linux users with substandard KDE support giving bug reports that might as well not matter. From there, what do we have that's mainstream and focuses on KDE? Manjaro, OpenSUSE, and KDE Neon. That's it. And I'm pushing it with Manjaro since XFCE is their primary edition. Sort of with OpenSUSE since they're split with one OS using the LTS version and another OS using the up-to-date version.
And that brings up another possible downside to KDE -- they have less manpower combined with having two versions so they have 4x the work when compared to GNOME devs that have more people and are funded with IBM's wallet.
And I'm not that stuck in 1995. I'd actually like it if KDE would adopt a hybrid SSD/CSD interface with a dynamic topbar or taskbar widget to hold the traditional app menu (File Edit Help). What GNOME/GTK3 does with the CSD style doesn't look that bad, I'm just not the biggest fan of how they use icons for everything or all the space they waste with padding.
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Originally posted by Danny3 View Post
I have changed my windows decorations by installing a decoration called Windows-K10 so I can have big rectangle-shape windows control buttons like in Windows because I don't like the default small round ones too much since I'm slower to click them.
Does this change mean that from now on some badly written GTK programs like Remmina and Wraith Master for example will stop changing the windows control buttons to the default small round ones and display the ones that I have chose like all the other apps ?
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Originally posted by cynical View PostAnd who cares if their DE uses 250MB, 500MB, or even 1GB of memory? Even budget laptops these days come with 8GB as standard, and having something as critical as your system UI use 1/8 of your memory seems reasonable.
If you have a desktop with 16/32/64GB, wouldn’t you rather have a DE that uses more memory but crashes less because some parts are written in a managed language?
The desktop environment is a means to an end. I need some interface to interact with the computer, but I only need that to start and manage the programs that perform my actual tasks. So the DE should be as small as possible while offering as much assistance as possible. KDE currently hits that extremely well. It's small (in regards to resource usage) yet has VERY MUCH to offer.
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Originally posted by angrypie View Post
This forum is full of people stuck in 1995, so criticism is harsher towards user interfaces that don't look or behave like Windows 95.
KDE vs. GNOME is essentially churning out lots of untested customization options vs. few and better tested settings. KDE isn't manned for what they're trying to achieve, and the "community" that praises it so much seems unwillingly to test and report bugs, so things will stay the way they are despite the sterile "criticism" directed towards either one.
And that brings up another possible downside to KDE -- they have less manpower combined with having two versions so they have 4x the work when compared to GNOME devs that have more people and are funded with IBM's wallet.
And I'm not that stuck in 1995. I'd actually like it if KDE would adopt a hybrid SSD/CSD interface with a dynamic topbar or taskbar widget to hold the traditional app menu (File Edit Help). What GNOME/GTK3 does with the CSD style doesn't look that bad, I'm just not the biggest fan of how they use icons for everything or all the space they waste with padding.
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Originally posted by angrypieThis forum is full of people stuck in 1995, so criticism is harsher towards user interfaces that don't look or behave like Windows 95.
KDE vs. GNOME is essentially churning out lots of untested customization options vs. few and better tested settings. KDE isn't manned for what they're trying to achieve, and the "community" that praises it so much seems unwillingly to test and report bugs, so things will stay the way they are despite the sterile "criticism" directed towards either one.
And who cares if their DE uses 250MB, 500MB, or even 1GB of memory? Even budget laptops these days come with 8GB as standard, and having something as critical as your system UI use 1/8 of your memory seems reasonable.
If you have a desktop with 16/32/64GB, wouldn’t you rather have a DE that uses more memory but crashes less because some parts are written in a managed language?
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