GNOME GTK+ Tool-Kit Gets Improvements For OS X

[dee.]

i dont read nothing in this text, to much lol.

Yes, it was already established that you're a a) shitty troll and b) fanboy.

[RahulSundaram]

Have they actually said that about Mir? The only project I know of that's advanced the "single distro specific" argument was KDE's KWin... Gnome/Gtk+ may hold similar opinions, but to my knowledge, they've never rejected a patch on that basis.

Yes and no patches to add Mir support has been submitted either afaik. The work done to support Wayland on GTK means that abstractions are already in place and adding Mir support should be easier but someone should write such patches, propose it upstream and volunteer to maintain it.

[Delgarde]

Meanwhile they refuse to support Mir arguing that it's one distro specific?
what about MacOSX morons!

Have they actually said that about Mir? The only project I know of that's advanced the "single distro specific" argument was KDE's KWin... Gnome/Gtk+ may hold similar opinions, but to my knowledge, they've never rejected a patch on that basis.

[Andrecorreia]

well..

Nope... you're blind, because you can't see the obvious - how Canonical's decisions affect them and every user of Ubuntu proper (as opposed to [X|K|L|G]ubuntu, Mint, etc.) - and you're a fanboy because you exhibit fanboyish behaviour. When you come to a thread that has nothing to do with Ubuntu, Canonical or Mir, trolling about an open source project's choices, and when others respond to your views with conflicting opinions, you tell them to "shut up" because you're "not interested in their opinions". If you're not interested in other people's opinions, especially ones that disagree with yours, then you should stay away from Phoronix and remain in some kind of Canonical-sponsored echo-chamber where you can spend your time circle-jerking with other fanboys.

As for Gnome's decisions: What did you expect? Canonical made the choice to go against the community instead of working together with other Linux distros. That's why this whole Mir idiocy was such a bad idea. I personally have nothing against Ubuntu or Canonical (apart from the arrogant, rude and downright insulting behaviour of the leader of the company) or users of Ubuntu, but I, like many others, could foresee when this Mir debacle started how things would develop. There would be no support from Gnome or KDE. Of course not! Those projects are invested in Wayland, have been working to port their projects to Wayland for ages, and then some new NIH thing from Canonical with countless questionable aspects (the monolithic control, lack of standards and protocols, lack of collaboration with the non-Ubuntu communities, spreading of FUD and lies with announcement) comes along and demands support from them. Again, what did you expect?

The OS X backend is, like the Windows backend, quite a different thing - those backends have been developed way before this thing, as a means of providing cross-platform support - many software developers want their software to run on other OS'es, to gain a bigger user base, and also maybe partly because it's a good way to initiate non-Linux users into the wonderful world of FOSS software. Those backends serve a purpose.

Mir however is entirely unnecessary. It's not a notable platform. It's problematic on many levels. Suppose I wrote my own display server with incompatible API's tomorrow, can I then rail against Gnome, KDE etc. for not supporting it when they support OS X? Does the fact that a toolkit has support for OS X mean they are then obligated to support each and every new platform that shows up and demands support? Why do people who are not involved in a project feel they have a right to demand from a project whose developers they are not paying a cent to implement support for their pet platforms?

So it all comes down to this: if you want Mir support for GTK, go develop it yourself. Or ask Canonical to develop it. Gnome developers are in no way obligated to provide it for you.

i dont read nothing in this text, to much lol.

[dee.]

dee go sleep... im not blind im not a fanboy. i see a lot of people talking and talking and prefer to support mac osx than other linux distro, look for the topic

Nope... you're blind, because you can't see the obvious - how Canonical's decisions affect them and every user of Ubuntu proper (as opposed to [X|K|L|G]ubuntu, Mint, etc.) - and you're a fanboy because you exhibit fanboyish behaviour. When you come to a thread that has nothing to do with Ubuntu, Canonical or Mir, trolling about an open source project's choices, and when others respond to your views with conflicting opinions, you tell them to "shut up" because you're "not interested in their opinions". If you're not interested in other people's opinions, especially ones that disagree with yours, then you should stay away from Phoronix and remain in some kind of Canonical-sponsored echo-chamber where you can spend your time circle-jerking with other fanboys.

As for Gnome's decisions: What did you expect? Canonical made the choice to go against the community instead of working together with other Linux distros. That's why this whole Mir idiocy was such a bad idea. I personally have nothing against Ubuntu or Canonical (apart from the arrogant, rude and downright insulting behaviour of the leader of the company) or users of Ubuntu, but I, like many others, could foresee when this Mir debacle started how things would develop. There would be no support from Gnome or KDE. Of course not! Those projects are invested in Wayland, have been working to port their projects to Wayland for ages, and then some new NIH thing from Canonical with countless questionable aspects (the monolithic control, lack of standards and protocols, lack of collaboration with the non-Ubuntu communities, spreading of FUD and lies with announcement) comes along and demands support from them. Again, what did you expect?

The OS X backend is, like the Windows backend, quite a different thing - those backends have been developed way before this thing, as a means of providing cross-platform support - many software developers want their software to run on other OS'es, to gain a bigger user base, and also maybe partly because it's a good way to initiate non-Linux users into the wonderful world of FOSS software. Those backends serve a purpose.

Mir however is entirely unnecessary. It's not a notable platform. It's problematic on many levels. Suppose I wrote my own display server with incompatible API's tomorrow, can I then rail against Gnome, KDE etc. for not supporting it when they support OS X? Does the fact that a toolkit has support for OS X mean they are then obligated to support each and every new platform that shows up and demands support? Why do people who are not involved in a project feel they have a right to demand from a project whose developers they are not paying a cent to implement support for their pet platforms?

So it all comes down to this: if you want Mir support for GTK, go develop it yourself. Or ask Canonical to develop it. Gnome developers are in no way obligated to provide it for you.

[Andrecorreia]

fanboy?

And here we have a typical ubuntroll fanboi, folks.

Blind to everything except his/her/its own fanatical worship of all things shuttleworthy.

dee go sleep... im not blind im not a fanboy. i see a lot of people talking and talking and prefer to support mac osx than other linux distro, look for the topic

[Annabel]

ITT: immaturity
Both ubudu and gonm fanboys are horrible

and to stay on topic GTK+ is dead for me because of

1. their hypocrisy
2. glib usage (gobject hell, useless data types, it claims to be portable but in reallity isn't, abort on g_malloc failure, see http://suckless.org/sucks)
3. UGLY (both on code and on the appearance of the program), uglier than YOU. Can you see how horrible it is?
4. more thing that I'm bored to write

[dee.]

i simply dont ask your opinion, and your opinion simply sucks

And here we have a typical ubuntroll fanboi, folks.

Blind to everything except his/her/its own fanatical worship of all things shuttleworthy.

[Andrecorreia]

i simply dont...

Not really, the gnome guys are taking a stance against further splintering of the Linux world. On the other hand the Mac is a platform unto itself.

It is pretty simple really, Ubuntu is crap as far as Linux goes and it looks like he Ubuntu developers want to make it an open but proprietary system. That sounds strange but let's face it if only a small segment of the Linux community goes the Ubuntu route it becomes a niche system. A system by the way that has far fewer users than those running Macs.

Grow up! They are taking a stand right or wrong. It is far better to do that then to be wishy washy about what you intend to do. If Mir ends up being a niche product with little real world support and eventually dies because of that the Linux world will be better off. If Mir fails hopefully the Ubuntu crowd will have learned something about not cooperating with the rest of the Linux world.

i simply dont ask your opinion, and your opinion simply sucks

[liam]

Phoronix: GNOME GTK+ Tool-Kit Gets Improvements For OS X

GTK's Quartz back-end saw some new activity yesterday to benefit GTK applications running on OS X...

http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTU3NTY

I imagine this patch was submitted. As with each gtk article I want to express my belief that gtk would be best served by making it a Linux only tk. That way they can offer the least amount of abstraction of any tk.