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Seems a lot of people still don't have a clue how internet ads work, but the simplest way to put it is they're almost never, if ever, pre-paid like TV or radio ads. There are several ways internet ads produce revenue.
Anyway, I personally use flash block since it bogs down my internet and puts a dent in firefox's performance. I'm not sure if the ads are considered loaded, though. Enough of the ad is loaded that the browser knows it is flash and therefore disables it, but the ad is never fully loaded or activated. Anyway, I never intentionally block ads.
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Originally posted by bridgman View PostStrictly speaking Michael is not giving it away for free, he is publishing it as a combination of content plus revenue-generating advertising.
I am not going to back down on it, because I love AdBlock. It makes the Internet a whole lot nicer. However, I would be happy for him if he finds a solution that makes him happy, too, and where everyone wins. Phoronix is not just any web site, but it has got a strong focus on free software, which "strictly speaking" is all about liberating our computers and giving control back to us. Would you not hate to see it if this freedom gets taken away again?
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Originally posted by sdack View PostNo. He is giving it away for free and you are free to disagree.
Michael is making the content available with an attached price tag (viewing the ad). In most jurisdictions you do not have the right to say "I will take the item but not pay the asking price", and the argument that "he left the item on display in the store so it must be free" doesn't hold water. The debate is obviously made more complex by the existence of convenient tools to separate the item from the asking price, and aggravated by the general suckiness of the infrastructure used for serving ad content.
Very few things annoy me more than waiting for ad servers, and that happens far too much. I can live with viewing ads (and very occasionally I'm even interested in what is being advertised), but I draw the line at waiting 10-20 seconds for the ad to come up.
I'll stay away from the obvious "free as in freedom vs free as in beer" point you raise.
EDIT - changed my mind -- I don't think "free software" and "free content" are necessarily the same thing.Last edited by bridgman; 01 September 2014, 01:07 PM.Test signature
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Originally posted by Ziple View PostI'm ok with using AdBlock with some websites where some ads pop-up everywhere and some files get downloaded and all. But that's not the case here...
Begging is not really effective indeed. And I hope for you that you will never have to beg to someone like you..
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As long as ads showed here are fuckin' skin smoothing tissues or other not even remotely relevant stuff (taking more screen space than articles) I'll keep using adblock.
How about stop being lazy and establish this place as a serious business with sponsored ads from hardware manufacturers, open source foundations or software (maybe even gaming?) studios? I bet Phoronix has enough montly views to at least get some companies to sit down and talk money.
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Originally posted by gutigen View PostAs long as ads showed here are fuckin' skin smoothing tissues or other not even remotely relevant stuff (taking more screen space than articles) I'll keep using adblock.
How about stop being lazy and establish this place as a serious business with sponsored ads from hardware manufacturers, open source foundations or software (maybe even gaming?) studios? I bet Phoronix has enough montly views to at least get some companies to sit down and talk money.
It's not a matter of being lazy and it's IDG TechNetwork who handles the ad sales. While they're a tech-focused site, most tech companies are only interested in the aforementioned geographies. But aside from that, there aren't really many companies interested specifically in Linux advertising, in fact some have negative comments about Linux users to the ad reps. For the ones that are interested in Linux, we end up delivering more than enough impressions where we still have leftovers that get rerouted to normal network campaigns.Michael Larabel
https://www.michaellarabel.com/
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Originally posted by Michael View PostBut aside from that, there aren't really many companies interested specifically in Linux advertising, in fact some have negative comments about Linux users to the ad reps.
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Originally posted by Michael View PostWhat country are you in? Most advertisers are just interested in US/AU/NZ/EU and very little else....
It's not a matter of being lazy and it's IDG TechNetwork who handles the ad sales. While they're a tech-focused site, most tech companies are only interested in the aforementioned geographies. But aside from that, there aren't really many companies interested specifically in Linux advertising, in fact some have negative comments about Linux users to the ad reps. For the ones that are interested in Linux, we end up delivering more than enough impressions where we still have leftovers that get rerouted to normal network campaigns.
Thanks for clarifing about companies, fair enough. Have you though about setting up a foundation for Phoronix? You could propably funnel more donations that way and maybe get some tax exempt
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