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I never saw automated partitioning fully working if there are already partitions on a drive, it was possible with very simple configurations but for Kanotix we removed the automatic a few years ago. It is better to ask in the IRC/forum how to partition the drive for a specific purpose than relying on auto mode. In most automatic installers the last partition on a drive gets resized, 2 partitions added for / and swap (even if there are swap partitions already there), some like Fedora setup a boot partition as well. The last time I tested Fedora (just to use something with rpm again) the installer was pure crap in manual mode, it took some time to figure it out and not to wipe something... For noobs best: get a ssd/hd purely for Linux, disconnect everything else, partition like you wish or try automatic. If you need to access Windows 8 NTFS/FAT partitions: run in as admin inside Windows: "cmd" (ctrl+shift+enter) this: "powercfg -h off". This disables suspend (hibernate) and fast startup (Windows 8+).
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Originally posted by sepul View PostHe is maybe right about linux game dev being harder than win/osx.
But most problems are because of OpenGL (compared to D3D), and mostly closed source stuff like bad official drivers. Not the linux itself.
Maybe he should open-source his engine and let the community help him.
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He is maybe right about linux game dev being harder than win/osx.
But most problems are because of OpenGL (compared to D3D), and mostly closed source stuff like bad official drivers. Not the linux itself.
Maybe he should open-source his engine and let the community help him.
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The famous bug in kernel that resulted in several models of Samsung laptops being bricked
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/1040557
also took an awful lot of time to fix (over a half a year AFAIK).
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I am reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes and begin to think that this guy is right:
Known issues:
- Automatic install is broken on drives that contain partitions that either do not have an operating system installed (eg. a user data partition like /home on Linux or D: on Windows), or partitions that have Windows 8 installed. Selecting automatic install (or upgrade) on these systems will result in the whole drive being wiped and all existing data will be lost. There are also problems dealing with systems with multiple drives. This bug is present in released media of 14.04 and 14.04.1. If you have a drive with any pre-existing partitions, or multiple drives, then you should use manual partitioning. Ensure you have backups. (1265192)
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Upgrade:
- Automatic upgrade on drives containing user data partitions, including from other operating systems, and all Windows 8 systems, will result in the whole drive being wiped and all existing data will be lost. This bug is present in released media of 14.04 and 14.04.1. If you have a drive with any pre-existing partitions, or multiple drives, then you should use manual partitioning. Ensure you have backups. (1265192)
- Configuration of the package tex-common fails when 12.04 LTS is upgraded to 14.04 LTS (1304972)
- Configuration of flightgear fails during upgrade from 12.04 LTS to 14.04 LTS (1308338)
That's a LTS release and users will expect it to be more stable then "normal" releases.Last edited by Mat2; 18 January 2015, 07:48 AM.
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Most likely he used sh not bash, that causes problems. Everything with "function" or "==" is a bashism, would be simple to fix those. The .sh suffix is irritating and the code itself is not safe. I am sure I reported it somewhere too, just not on github as I don't want to create an account there.
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Originally posted by Kano View PostDo you run games as root?
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Originally posted by bitman View PostIm just saying things happen. One might not need lvm but encryption nowdays is important. While setting it up in installer is easy its a bummer for average user when installer crashes. On windows its bit different. Not saying its better but it works. Like Next > Next > Next > Finish > ... Wait ... > Reboot and you got your machine encrypted. Same for bitlocker, same for truecrypt. No magic.
good I see that truecrypt did give people at least read access to the source... makes it a bit better, but another funny point is that it was fuer linux too. so if you really trust such software (even the authors did not in the end), the process was shurly exactly like in windows. start yes yes yes done...
You also should give more inmformation, what you say about ubuntus installer and encryption are 1. ubuntu specific 2. most likely a rare bug, I doubt that the installer defaults on trashing installation if people active encryption. I have also funny bugs in windows, ok maybe not so extreme ones like not booting up, but whenever I install a windows version on my gaming pc, it just wakes up from its standby in the middle of the night, which is bad because its noise and I sleep in the same room... so i had to search "konsole" commands to make him not hear to the networkcard wakeup shit, even nobody tries to wake it, but windows mistakenly things that somebody wants to wake him.
I would not compare windows to debian-minimal. See one thing windows does good is separation between user software and system software. While user is supposed to install software himself its not a bad thing. Although if linux people did it they would surely do it better. Problem with linux distros is that you cant really have multiple versions of software side by side unless you are willing to endure lots of pain. Distros dont usually package multiple versions. Also distros get old and expire soon so if user is not constantly updating to newer version he gets same frozen set of apps that were available at release time. While on rest of popular desktop OSes you can install multiple versions just fine. Well nixos is changing that so future looks bright.
yes maybe to unpack that its minimal more difficult than press a setup.exe but if you are needing different versions its most likely that you are a developer/technical person anyway.
And btw not all distros get old more or less only debian based distros get old fast, because of their software philosopy. in fedora I get updates to more or less anything, kernel, firefox, I think even libre office, not shure... and its much easier to pin a file in fedora than in debian/ubuntu in my experince if really needed.
The need of having differnt versions from programm installed in windows most often is a result of windows is bad at seperating user-data and programm-data. most proprietary softwares must create a product out of each version, so it has to becomre more or less incompatible with the previous version. and then you have to copy all the files around tax-software last time I checked needed to install tax 2012 then 2013 then 2014 then 2015 to get the files converted version after version to the newest version on the pc of my dad, horrific design because each version has a specific importer, its the same company but they need a importer... so cracy. So I doubt that its a advantage in most cases.
often people end up loading a new setup.exe from a programm to update it, and then they are pretty pissed when they have a second version installed or the installer tells them that they should deinstall the old version first... even thats possible that it does not allow the installation of 2 versions... in windows every programm makes his own shit... so its just not true in generall what you are saying, its just true for 1-2 apps you like maybe.
And that it gets old is also not true in general. even in ubuntu you can switch to the alpha/beta versions of ubuntu-next, I never had big problems with it, with betas I think I had 0 problems at all. debian is supposed to run more or less primary on servers, and ubuntu is to bad to keep ahead of that thats why many people use also ubuntu for server. so if you use a very server-centred distro, you should not wonder about very old software. So do we talk about bad ubuntu or bad linux, I switched away from ubuntu, maybe my reasons were less technical in the first place (ater the switch I realised how bad technicaly ubuntu is, and how much more superiour fedora and archlinux), so I am not so happy to having to defend ubuntu here. But still its not that bad that you try to make it look.
I switched just recently to fedora 22, because I did not miss much software from it. Ok for most the point would be a newer gnome version, but if you dont need that it offers not much, not that the update was painfull just worked and have only a few small bugs since then (something with my xrandr scripts primary), except a newer mesa version and activated SNA in X with my SNA-Laptop the only other thing I wanted was 24.4 version of emacs, not that I could not have installed that in Fedora 21 by pinning.
dont get me wrong this package managers has seldom its weaknesses, but in my oppinion for most users its much better 99% of the time. I would kill kittens for having a global udpate-everything command in windows, that 99% of the time does not break anything. And then the reinstallation, yes maybe windows installation breaks nothing, but you have to do it every few years, while a normal linux installation you install once and then upgrade just 10-20 years copy it to new harddisk or new computers and it just starts again without trouble. while in windows I have to reinstall evyerhint every 2 years or more often in some cases its insane waste of time.
Well you are mostly right. The only "cant boot" problem i ever had was infamous black blinking cursor which needed "nomodeset" kernel parameter to make nvidia driver happy. While it was no biggie it should not happen. It indeed is fault of nvidia that is being retarded with linux but still i think maybe there could at least be workaround added to make users not see even this.
Also does have steamos have this problem? Maybe no? I would bet on? so its also a ubuntu problem. And not hiding bugs from nvidia is maybe no bad thing, the least they could do if we have to live with that freedom hating company and its politics to support their hardware in this nasty way.
What would happen if nvidia driver would start to make same bugs in windows? Well people would bitch about nvidia and start boykotting them hard for beeing unable to make even basic stuff. in a post/steammaschine release world, I doubt that they can make such things without patching em fast, if so.. they get what they deserve thousends if not millions of people start boykotting them, not because of the gpl freedoms they wnat but because of a incompetentence of this company unable to support their own hardware with drivers that work.
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You write total crap about Windows. Up to XP apps were allowed to write to system wide directories for config files and data, Steam/Origin still do that somehow but with changed write permissions to the game dirs. If you run old apps then Win really writes to a folder in the user settings to allow those writes. But you can never run any 16 bit app in a 64 bit Windows system, that only works with 32 bit apps. Lots of games needed patches to run correctly - or you would need to run em as admin. Do you run games as root?
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Originally posted by nanonyme View PostThat is not a work around, it is the only correct and robust way to install multiple operating systems without dealing with virtual machines. Wubi was a toy for previewing Ubuntu so can later install it properly on eg another hard disk or free space on an existing disk.
Originally posted by blackiwid View PostSo you need to mention a profi distro, if you are a user that just want to install his first linux or wants just a running linux and is not willing to dig deaper why in hell would such person choose arch linux? But you kind of said self that this is a dumb example.
I never installed mint but ubuntu, I think its 99% the same because mint is ubuntu with some other default packages and maybe 1-2 own ppa like things enabled by default, so I answer it for ubuntu. Ubuntus normal installer does not support lvm only the cli based debian-like installer does that. windows installer does not support lvm or anything like lvm, so why in hell do you need that if you are a user that is in fear of linux problems?
Its a bit like choosing a family car for doing a racing competition, maybe thats no good idea.
luks is even cracyer, why do you need that? lvm dont needs luks, something with encryption basic windows does also not allow to encrypt so how can you compare this tasks when its maybe somethimes difficult task under linux and impossible in windows?
Originally posted by blackiwid View PostAnd again next step you compare a linux distro installation with a windows installation. A windows installation is more or less like debian-minimal installation. nothing what you need is there, you can search 5 days in the internet after 1000 setup.exes full with viruses and some cds maybe too.
Most of that (cant boot) Problems are then vendor problems driver problems... something like that, thats no linux problem, but a problem that this companies suck, and should go bankrupt.
Originally posted by blackiwid View PostMost of that (cant boot) Problems are then vendor problems driver problems... something like that, thats no linux problem, but a problem that this companies suck, and should go bankrupt.
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