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Originally posted by AJSB View Post?!?
Debian never used Upstart...UBUNTU and derivates did.
Upstart that, IIRC, was born before systemd and was developed with great effort from UBUNTU.
However, what was relatively simple for UBUNTU do, a new init system to replace Debian init system and mantain it, won't be possible with systemd because the way it integrates with (some) programs,etc.
The work would be too much from UBUNTU PoV so they throwed down the towel.
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Originally posted by nanonyme View PostAnother example of a very long vendor lock-in would be gcc. We have separate gnu89, gnu99 etc language standards that are default for gcc so developers end up writing unportable code if they don't know better. Now with LLVM they tried to be innovative with compiler stack which resulted in clang having to implement large amounts of gcc peculiarities because otherwise code doesn't compile. Lock-in's looking harmless is pretty much an illusion that breaks when you find out you *want* to replace it
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Originally posted by AJSB View PostUBUNTU, and all their direct and indirect derivates (i.e. XUBUNTU, KUBUNTU, LUBUNTU, Linux Mint,etc,etc.), just like all Debian derivates (witch UBUNTU is one of them) were forced by the decision from Debian
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Originally posted by Ibidem View PostFor the record, Debian packages (e)glibc (parse that as "glibc or eglibc"), klibc, dietlibc, and musl; most of the system is built with (e)glibc, though I've seen a few klibc and dietlibc linked binaries.
so, does debian forbid packages to require specific libc ?
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Sometimes I wonder why you leave the gentoo mailing list.
Originally posted by ryao View PostHe twisted my words when I stated my perspective and then expected me to defend something that I did not say. That is bullying via strawman arguments, not a productive conversation.
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Originally posted by BeardedGNUFreak View PostWhat a moron.
Jordan Hubbard who used to work at Apple thinks non-Apple stuff should be more like...Apple.
Shocking!
You Linux kiddies really are a bunch of idiots.
The *BSD's being more monolythic though, I suspect it may be harder to go back to rc.d from BSD-land than it is in Linux where there are still some hold outs from the systemd way of doing things.
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