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from where so many sistemD fan-boys came to debian?
isn't there already so many so called distros which use it and doesn't become more successful than debian?!?!?
When i first installed Mandrake Tracktopell i thinked that the discovery tool is the best until i found out debian...
systemd is like discovery useless crap!
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Originally posted by edmon View Postfrom where so many sistemD fan-boys came to debian?
It is mostly a matter of lack of number of alternatives.
See the very insightful posting Luke_Wolf made a couple of hours ago: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showt...316#post456316
Cheers,
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This project will be dead in no time. The fact that they went ahead with this thing and actually believe forking is a good idea shows that these people are arrogant and wrong. No further explanation needed, let's just sit back and watch it die. Too bad for Linux as a whole that people can't pull in the same direction and put ego in front of the "end user".
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Originally posted by Luke_Wolf View PostI disagree. If Debian had chosen anything other than systemd Ubuntu would have stuck on Upstart.
Unfortunately I can not find the link to that mail right now, but I do remember thinking that this did not bode well for upstart's future.
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Originally posted by edmon View Postfrom where so many sistemD fan-boys came to debian?
isn't there already so many so called distros which use it and doesn't become more successful than debian?!?!?
The Debian developers simply agree with the majority of Linux users, distro maintainers, Linux developers and system administrators, that systemd is the best init-system available.
Originally posted by edmon View PostWhen i first installed Mandrake Tracktopell i thinked that the discovery tool is the best until i found out debian...
systemd is like discovery useless crap!
Continuing that level of argumentation and behaviour against Debian and systemd is probably a good strategy to make upstream projects and Debian developers cut all SysVinit support as fast as possible, simply to avoid dealing with such nastiness.
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Originally posted by interested View PostYou got that all wrong. It is the old time Debian developers that want systemd as the default init-system in Debian. The latest GR have just confirmed how the vast majority of Debian developers want to continue using systemd as the default.
The Debian developers simply agree with the majority of Linux users, distro maintainers, Linux developers and system administrators, that systemd is the best init-system available.
You may think that calling systemd "crap" is good argument, but it just seem to confirm that systemd opponents are ill informed and immature.
Continuing that level of argumentation and behaviour against Debian and systemd is probably a good strategy to make upstream projects and Debian developers cut all SysVinit support as fast as possible, simply to avoid dealing with such nastiness.
ill informed and immature is to say 'Hop' before you jump. And removing something is the best reason for oppose systemd!
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Originally posted by edmon View Postill informed and immature is to say 'Hop' before you jump. And removing something is the best reason for oppose systemd!
By attacking Debian for their choice of init system you may tempt some of their otherwise generous developers to cut of SysVinit support as fast as possible. And since eg. "Devuan" is simply Debian with another name, using Debian packages and repos, this will have serious repercussions.
I think a more humble and grateful attitude towards Debian and its developers is in order, and certainly a much better strategy for cooperation and help than whiny, ill informed and badly argued attacks on systemd and Debian.
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Originally posted by ryao View Post(...) The only exception is tomegun, with whom I would be more than happy to continue this conversation via email. He is the *only* reasonable person that I have encountered here.
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