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What GNOME's Women Outreach Program Is Paying For This Summer
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Originally posted by RahulSundaram View PostAdditional note: Many projects including the Linux kernel doesn't permit anonymous contributions. You need to do it under your real name since you are signing off on a legally binding document as part of your contributions.
"using your real name (sorry, no pseudonyms or anonymous contributions.)"
As for the resume thing: While i understand that FOSS contributions can lead in a good career path and eventually money and that many have this in mind nothing should prohibit someone from contributing for whatever reason he wants to. And he should have the right to do it anonymously.
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Originally posted by 89c51 View PostPolicies like that are complete stupid IMO. Extremely and beyond stupid.
As for the resume thing: While i understand that FOSS contributions can lead in a good career path and eventually money and that many have this in mind nothing should prohibit someone from contributing for whatever reason he wants to. And he should have the right to do it anonymously.
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You expressed exactly what I was feeling the minute I started to read this article.
Originally posted by Daktyl198 View PostI've got some ideas:
How about we destroy the entire program, stop treating women like frail little things that have to be goaded into the "men's world" of programming, and just let those who want to code do it.
There shouldn't be any gender seperation in programming (or design): Good Code is Good Code, no matter who it's written by and a Good Design is a Good Design no matter who it was thought up by.
I'm fully expecting a huge backlash for this, but I don't understand why we treat women so differently in the tech world...
(P.S. another example is "Women in Tech Day". Like wtf, why do we have that? Do we have a "Men in Tech Day"? No? Then we shouldn't have the former either)
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Originally posted by RahulSundaram View PostEverybody has a right to contribute.
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Originally posted by lysbleu View PostIt's pragmatism. If more women work in this domain, more women might therefore be tempted to get in there, with talented persons amongst them. How a program aiming at having more talented persons working on FOSS could be bad ?- To start it promotes discrimination!
- It encourages those that would not normally be qualified to sign up.
- It takes resources from funding channels that could be more liberally applied without this program. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the program costs itself could have financed a few more projects.
- There is absolutely nothing about the world of software that keeps woman out, there is no physical barriers and frankly no mental barriers. The only thing keeping woman out is woman themselves from what I can see.
- Such programs are very damaging in the real work world as they create a we against them attitude. Even the US military has seen evidence that treating the sexes unequally results in a very hostile attitude towards the very sex you are trying to integrate into the force. If woman want to be treated as equals they need to work as equals. Contrary to popular opinion such programs do more harm to the status of woman in the workplace rather than promoting it, simply because of the reality that they got special favors to get there.
- In a nut shell the programs do more harm than good.
A perfect example here is the one example listed of Greek translation. Translations are good, everybody supports that, so why support that translation through a discriminatory selection process? Let's face it there is probably a limited pool of people out there that can do a good job of such translations in the first place. Here though we have someone that has stained themselves with a mark that says I couldn't do this through normal channels and had to get special support to deliver the goods.
In a nut shell would you really want to hire someone that expects special treatment to get the job done?
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If everyone invited their wives and family to learn and contribute, I'm sure we'd be close to at least 33% female participation. I think that'd be much more effective than an outreach program, but maybe that's just me...
And please don't start on the he/she thing...it's a fault of the English language that it doesn't have a gender-neutral, singular pronoun, other than 'it', and I doubt many people are going to start calling other people 'it'. That is the only reason people use 'he' or 'she', and usually it's a matter of what they learned rather than personal preference or bias.
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Originally posted by nanonyme View PostTBH based on gender stereotypes the documentation and localization being under this program makes a lot of sense to me. The stereotype goes that women are more linguistically talented than men on average so following that assumption it would make sense to involve women with documentation and localization projects also with computing. People outside the computer industry might not understand that such activities don't have much to do with programming so you don't need to be a supernerd but them done by someone not talented in it can make an entire software project fail.
I really see this being better handled by having GNOME support diversity in projects supported instead of wasting money the way this program did.
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