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What Linux Users Are Saying About GNOME In 2012 (Part 1)

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  • ninez
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    A couple of things that i (personally) found interesting in the survey and comments.

    - for those commenting how it is just the same whiners complaining as the last survey ~ while on some level i do agree with you (at least, in part) i think it is sad that you so easily write off every criticism of Gnome. While it is true some of the criticisms are invalid (in the sense that some of the criticizers, were complaining about things like (for example) gnome should have plugins - which it does aka: extensions), while others are just unrealistic (ie: Gnome won't be dropping GS for a gnome 2 desktop), complaints about minimizing/maximizing buttons (which whatever moron wrote that should realize that you can EASILY change that behavior), etc ... other comments are quite valid. For example (my comment);

    Originally posted by ninez from survery
    Recently, i switched to KDE (EDIT: which didn't last long) right around the time Gnome 3.6 was released. I still had to deal with gtk3 updates breaking my desktop, even when not using Gnome - which is incredibly frustrating. As a side note - i also used to maintain gtk+ themes (both gtk2/gtk3/metacity), i eventually stopped because on every point release you guys break themes and i got sick of fixing them.

    PUT MORE ENERGY INTO GTK+ OVER GNOME-SHELL.

    gtk3 is important and yet it seems Gnome-Shell and other gnome components/apps get more attention that gtk does. If you compare Qt to Gtk, you can't help but notice how much better QT is - Gnome should focus on improving gtk in a variety of ways.

    on both of these points Gnome should provide documentation for how to handle gtk+ updates, if you continue to break peoples desktop on every update
    Iif they would actually improve gtk3 + stop breakage on theming - that would be progress. I don't recall Windows or MacOSX EVER breaking the look/feel of the desktop on an update :\ anyway, gnome should address some of this stuff - it would make their desktop much more reliable / professional / consistent - more so than removing features or reducing menus to ugly single buttons on the rightside of the window (like nautilus).

    For those whom don't like GS (myself included), fine than don't use it! (i don't) but i also don't feel the need to complain every chance i get about my distaste for it ~ it's called "moving on". There are plenty of other shells for gnome 3 that are viable options, depending on one's tastes - so use one of them instead, or don't use gnome

    Originally posted by Roberto Dirksen View Post
    If you don't like Gnome 3, you're most likely doing something stupid. Instead of getting frustrated, try thinking about the best way to accomplish your task. You'll find that the way you used to do things in Windows and Gnome 2 were not that efficient after all.

    I'm loving Arch Linux right now, but I'm looking forward to Gnome OS. These guys are really good.
    How arrogant of you!

    ....Or it could be that GS just isn't to some peoples tastes, workflows (aka not morons). You may find GS to be exceptional and set a new standard of how a desktop should be used ~ but that doesn't mean that is actually true. In both MacOSX and Cinnamon - i am FAR more productive than when using GS - and no i am not a mouse-user, but am a heavy user of shortcuts/keyboard and also of gestures (tablet) in both environments.

    so instead of being so arrogant, you might want to be a little more humble and actually respect other people's ability and choices or atleast try to open your mind a little. I'm not saying GS is garbage (it obviously is not) but to insinuate that anybody whom doesn't like it is just an idiot. Says a lot more about you (in a very negative way) than it does about them.

    and FYI Gnome OS isn't a replacement for an actual distro, nor is it planned to be. Calling it an OS - has caused a bit of confusion here - you may actually want to read what Gnome OS is really geared towards; https://live.gnome.org/GnomeOS/
    Last edited by ninez; 12-18-2012, 07:49 PM.

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  • ворот93
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    GNOME Shell is utter piece of crap. Never understood what motivated GNOME devs to break good ol' desktop.

    Have since switched to KDE 4 and not looking back

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  • Roberto Dirksen
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    Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
    They're doing this all the time and that's why it sucks badly.
    They do it all the time because they know they're good, and they know the whiners are mouth-breathing morons.

    If you don't like Gnome 3, you're most likely doing something stupid. Instead of getting frustrated, try thinking about the best way to accomplish your task. You'll find that the way you used to do things in Windows and Gnome 2 were not that efficient after all.

    I'm loving Arch Linux right now, but I'm looking forward to Gnome OS. These guys are really good.

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  • Delgarde
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    Originally posted by halo9en View Post
    Agreed. Many comments can be summed up as either "I love Windoze-like interfaces, don't innovate, keep Gnome 2", or "nyah nyah, XXX is a better desktop". And then the inevitable morons ("let it die", "kill yourselves", etc etc.)
    Little wonder the Gnome devs pay little attention to Phoronix surveys, don't you think? It's entirely possible that there's some intelligent feedback mixed in there, but you'd have to filter through a lot of noise to find it...

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  • Pawlerson
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    Originally posted by kigurai View Post
    And we (Gnome 3 users) have that.
    Then be happy, but most of the Linux users don't like it.

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  • kigurai
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    Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
    You'er missing the point. People just want usable desktop, that's all. Stupidity has nothing to innovation in case you didn't know.
    And we (Gnome 3 users) have that.

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  • Pawlerson
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    Originally posted by halo9en View Post
    Agreed. Many comments can be summed up as either "I love Windoze-like interfaces, don't innovate, keep Gnome 2", or "nyah nyah, XXX is a better desktop". And then the inevitable morons ("let it die", "kill yourselves", etc etc.)
    You'er missing the point. People just want usable desktop, that's all. Stupidity has nothing to innovation in case you didn't know.

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  • Pawlerson
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    Originally posted by Roberto Dirksen View Post
    I'm using Arch Linux with Gnome 3.6 and I love it. The people who dislike it are too stupid to understand how to use it correctly. I really hope the Gnome developers ignore the whiners.
    They're doing this all the time and that's why it sucks badly.

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  • StephanG
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    I think many of you are missing the point.

    The Gnome devs, work on Gnome, because it is near to their heart. For reasons, that are they may or may not be able to articulate. But, regardless, that is not up for discussion. They work on Gnome because they want to. Period.

    The survey, is only to help them choose where/how to spend their limited man-hours. And, I dare say, that should be the ONLY thing a survey helps them to do. Unfortunately, the whole thing seemed to have gone sour very quickly.

    I think it would have been far more productive to make a survey that asks:

    "On a scale of 1 to 10, how strong do you feel Gnome's ... is?"

    A - Security
    B - Stability
    C - Et cetera

    Do you think we should focus on:

    A - New features
    B - Cross Desktop Compatibility
    C - Et cetera

    That way, it would have been MUCH easier to see exactly, which components gnome suers really want the devs to work on. And, it would have painted a much better picture to the Gnome devs of how well their users think their doing.

    But, things went awry by inviting anything to be said. There should be some boundaries.

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  • F i L
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    I don't understand why so many people are upset. I use Gnome-Shell 3.6 on Arch Linux and I love this DE. It's fast, elegant, and it encourages a productive multi-workspace workflow (and makes that actually usable). It has it's problems, sure, for instance it should really have the functionality of Dash-to-Dock built in by default, but for the most part it's great.

    I also don't see why everyone wants a damn Minimize/Maximize button... this is the point of multiple workspaces. It takes much longer to click a little minimize button than it does to switch a workspace. And for Maximize.. just double click or drag to the top.. it's not hard. I love how the windows only have a Close box, the concept is so much simpler than other DE's it's a breath of fresh air.

    It seems like most of the haters just want Gnome2 back... why not simply use Mate or XFCE or LXDE or Cinnamon?

    The only DE that looks comparable to Gnome-Shell, IMO, is Gala (Pantheon)... and only then if it gives Plant the option to be a side-bar (auto-hiding horizontal bars on vertically-stacked multi-monitor setups don't work so hot). Cinnamon is also good looking, but I like Window7-style taskbar icons instead of WindowsXP-style ones.. plus it need side-bar taskbar functionality.

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