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infrastructure was previously housed on servers at the likes of Portland State University and MIT, but their GitLab hosting setup is found in Google's cloud
Google is willing to hire an admin
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Originally posted by allquixotic View Post$70k for data transfer? Are you out of your mind?
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The cost of the big cloud providers is really high and unnecessary, especially with bandwidth costs. They should build their own cluster on OVH infrastructure. Bandwidth is unmetered and billed by how much capacity you want.
I actually struggled to comprehend how you could spend $70k in one year on GCP just on bandwidth egress. It looks like you have to transfer 100 TB per month (!!!) to reach that level of expense. I priced out 10 N2 standard instances and 100 TB per month and it turned out around $7k USD per month.
Here is what they could get for $2500 per month ($30k USD per year; less than half their bandwidth bill) on OVH:
20 servers (each $120/month) each with:- 2 x Intel Xeon E5-2660 (8-core)
- 256 GB DDR3
- 2 x 240 GB SSD + 4 x 2 TB HDD
- 500 Mbps unmetered Internet traffic
$70k for data transfer? Are you out of your mind?
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Originally posted by Anty View Post
Dude - don't spread FUD.
First you can use cost calculator like this one in AWS https://calculator.s3.amazonaws.com/index.html or GCP https://cloud.google.com/products/calculator.
It is well known that you pay for egress in cloud. It happens for both AWS and GCP cost is similar - $89 and $85 per TB/month.
So in case of GCP $75000/year gives 882 TB/year -> 73 GB/month -> 2.4 TB/day -> 10 GB/hour
And out of $75000 only $30000 is egress cost (remaining is running other stuff).
So final number is just 4 GB/hour.
Seems high? 4 GB/hour is just 1.1 MB/s which is not impressive at all...
I'd like to point out that he mentioned Heitzner, and that's the provider of OpenWrt build servers. Download servers are cheap and you don't need the cloud in most cases.
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Originally posted by kpedersen View PostA solution could be for Xorg to separate from the extra weight like FreeDesktop / Wayland. That will grealy reduce maintenance burden. Then Xorg can live on just like before.
Let those cool kids fend for themselves.
go trolling somehwere else
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freedesktop.org is a completely volunteer organisation with no corporate backing or funding stream.
I mean even if I like to spend something for my desktop .. where is the donation button?
Give us some code projects like amdgpu mesa opencl 1.2 to pay for.Last edited by Naquatis; 28 February 2020, 07:04 AM.
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Guest repliedOriginally posted by intelfx View Post
The costs of 'Putting It In The Cloud!' is paying more money in exchange for fewer problems.
Besides, owning your own equipment doesn't seem all that much cheaper[1], considering that you also need dedicated admins:
[1]: https://lists.freedesktop.org/archiv...ry/041245.html
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Originally posted by Teggs View PostI expect the general population to screw up when it comes to understanding the costs of 'Putting It In The Cloud!' vs. just owning your own equipment. I didn't expect it here, especially as multiple people must have known about this.
Besides, owning your own equipment doesn't seem all that much cheaper[1], considering that you also need dedicated admins:
I took a quick look at HPE, which we previously used for bare metal, and it looks like we'd be spending $25-50k (depending on how much storage you want to provision, how much room you want to leave to provision more storage later, how much you care about backups) to run a similar level of service so that'd put a bit of a dint in your year-one budget. The bare-metal hosting providers also add up to more expensive than you might think, again especially if you want either redundancy or just backups.
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A solution could be for Xorg to separate from the extra weight like FreeDesktop / Wayland. That will grealy reduce maintenance burden. Then Xorg can live on just like before.
Let those cool kids fend for themselves.
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