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Last edited by Vistaus; 15 April 2018, 11:29 AM.
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Originally posted by Vistaus View PostThat's right. But the argument was that Valve should make the Steam client 64-bit.
Steam client won't run faster or better on 64bit, and it will still like and require its own libs at some specific version, and it will still remain a proprietary application that should really be sandboxed. Flatpacking it remains necessary even if 64-bit. So whatever, it's fine even at 32-bit.
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I hadn't looked into flatpack before, or bubblewrap on which it's based. It does seem to provide some additional isolation, so I can see not turning off IA32_EMULATION completely off somewhat more palatable, but if I don't need it for anything other than gaming, why would I keep it if I'm not gaming?
Some of the features of the Steam client like remote play/capture/streaming (if available on Linux), could very well benefit from 64-bit, and games themselves could too. But this has been and continues to be a decades-long transition.
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Originally posted by audi100quattro View PostI hadn't looked into flatpack before, or bubblewrap on which it's based. It does seem to provide some additional isolation, so I can see not turning off IA32_EMULATION completely off somewhat more palatable, but if I don't need it for anything other than gaming, why would I keep it if I'm not gaming?
That's one of the things I don't like of Gentoo, if something I install does not work then I need to waste time looking up what I compiled "wrong" and recompile it after I enable the features I disabled because "I didn't need them". For embedded-like systems (i.e. very specific usecase and it does not change) then it's fine.
Anyway that is probably an issue for a laptop and not for a mid-to-high end PC with SSDs, for Gentoo users anyway.
Everyone else does not usually recompile their own kernel so the point is moot.
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I haven't needed IA32_EMULATION in a while on a laptop, though usually something will show up in dmesg if it's needed. Stable amd64 (not ~amd64) on gentoo is a lot better now than it used to be. Having ubuntu on a laptop and gentoo on a desktop, I would say I spend around the same amount troubleshooting things on both. On ubuntu I haven't yet had a completely successful upgrade from stable version to stable version for one reason or another (something with drivers usually), on gentoo it's a large enough unmasking from unstable to stable that might introduce a slot conflict (like a qt version bump). Initial configs on gentoo are sometimes harder, but they're more stable after ward I think.
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Originally posted by audi100quattro View PostHaving ubuntu on a laptop and gentoo on a desktop, I would say I spend around the same amount troubleshooting things on both. On ubuntu I haven't yet had a completely successful upgrade from stable version to stable version for one reason or another (something with drivers usually),
Or even Linux Mint Debian (semi-rolling based on Debian testing)
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Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostThe counter argument is that the only thing that really matters to someone that isn't just hating 32bit for sentimental reasons is littering the system with 32-bit libs, that can cause issues to the rest of the system.
Steam client won't run faster or better on 64bit, and it will still like and require its own libs at some specific version, and it will still remain a proprietary application that should really be sandboxed. Flatpacking it remains necessary even if 64-bit. So whatever, it's fine even at 32-bit.
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Originally posted by Vistaus View PostIt won't run better or faster, but it *will* save a lot of space without all those 32-bit libs.
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Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostThat's one of the reasons I don't like Ubuntu, too much half-assed things. Can I recommend OpenSUSE instead? You can upgrade from stable versions without issues (also to the rolling release and back) and even the rolling release is low-mainteneance.
Or even Linux Mint Debian (semi-rolling based on Debian testing)
OpenSUSE is the distro that had reiser and now brtfs from Evil corp as the default.. and a board member who actually defended James Damore (and his "polished memo") for an hour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YzBBEyLZd4 (https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board) no thanks. It's America, if it isn't free speech yet, it's about to be.
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Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostAre you confusing the multi-GB "ubuntu chroot" Steam uses to run games (doing more harm than good, and containing both 32 and 64 bit) with a few hundred MB at most for the 32bit libs needed by the launcher?
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