Ubuntu 14.04 Looks Toward Qt 5.2, Qt Mir In 14.10

[sarmad]

Hopefully Gnome will die. Linux needs only one toolkit. Anyways, nice progress from Canonical. Always thinking one step ahead.

Gnome won't die anytime soon, not until someone makes a DE that is more usable and more customizable. Gnome has lost a lot of its existing users who are used to the more traditional kind of desktops, but the new generation of users will find Gnome to be the most productive desktop environment, especially after customizing it to your needs from the pool of hundreds of existing extensions. Also, Gnome is currently progressing at a pace faster than other environment. The only point I have against Gnome 3 is the use of web technologies (CSS, Javascript) which makes it slow and heavy.

[Vim_User]

You need to lighten up. Qt will turn to Canonical to get promotion on the linux platform, Ubuntu is way bigger than KDE. KDE will be less important to Qt unless KDE gets down on the knees for Mark as well. Accepting Qt's CLA is no different than accepting Canonical's CLA.

Reading this, you must have insider knowledge of Digia. May it be possible that you are just a frustrated employee of Digia, blasting your frustration all over the web in a childish attempt to denounce your employer?

[Vim_User]

No! The upstreams are owned or licensed to Canonical and Digia. You are confused about this because you can download a GPLed downstream version for now. Ask your self why the demand CLA.

Again, you are talking out of your ass without any expertise on the topic. You should better stop before showing more people how pathetic you actually are.

[tomtomme]

honton...

I can not await the moment honton states again that kde is dying because it looses so many developers.... please Honton - would you make this statement again?

[TheBlackCat]

You should be banned, using pejorative language. Who are you to insult that way?

Honton is a notorious troll who will say anything, even blatantly lie, to trash any DE other than Gnome. He has a handful of talking points he uses to derail any thread even remotely related to any DE other than Gnome into a flamefest.

[timofonic]

Both, Canonical's stack and Qt, are licensed GPL and LGPL. I guess you wouldn't call that unfree licenses, would you? Also, how do you think Canonical or Digia could close down (L)GPL licensed software?
Once again you are talking out of your ass, without any expertise on the topic you chose to post about. Do for one time something useful and help in the development of [INSERT FAVORITE FOSS PROJECT HERE] instead of annoying people on Phoronix with your shit.

You should be banned, using pejorative language. Who are you to insult that way?

Do you have any idea of the possible implications about CLA? In theory anybody can fork it, in practice few have the developers' army to maintain that monster code Qt is. And about Canonical stuff, they pretty sure do their homework to look nice to the mainstream and hide their dirty work (anyway, they already have mercernaries inside Debian governance).

The same is about CUPS, they use a CLA too. And they take advantage of it, bundling extra stuff only for MacOS X.

The problem seems to be that technical people often lack the understanding of (micro)politics in technology projects.

[Alex Sarmiento]

The kind of freedom where free licenses matter, not CLA ones.

Ah, the freedom for developers to close source software ... *That* freedom

[Vim_User]

The kind of freedom where free licenses matter, not CLA ones.

Both, Canonical's stack and Qt, are licensed GPL and LGPL. I guess you wouldn't call that unfree licenses, would you? Also, how do you think Canonical or Digia could close down (L)GPL licensed software?
Once again you are talking out of your ass, without any expertise on the topic you chose to post about. Do for one time something useful and help in the development of [INSERT FAVORITE FOSS PROJECT HERE] instead of annoying people on Phoronix with your shit.

[Alex Sarmiento]

Yeah. The Qt CLA is the last piece missing before the entire Canonical stack can be closed. It must be nice for Canonical to have a toolkit offering this. Who needs freedom anyway..

What kind of freedom are you talking about?

[benalib]

let's get the fact: gnome is controlled by Red Hat behind the curtin
kde is more independent then red hat's DE
kde uses Qt which is a full framework; GTK is a simple tk and it is useless without gnome controlled libraries (GLib, GFVS,GIO, etc)