Building & Running The Ubuntu Mir Display Server

[Hamish Wilson]

[rant]I think a lot of people are talking shit about something they have never really used when it comes to most non-Ubuntu distributions, or are unable to grasp that some things being different does not necessarily equate to having a worse user experience. [/rant]

[jalyst]

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[Luke_Wolf]

Here's a link to the IRC log another user posted (sorry, I forgot the username) of the session where the Mir devs are talking to the Wayland devs: http://pastebin.com/KjRm3be1

That's not Mir devs that's a mir dev after the fact wherein this mir dev RAOF is merely coming up with excuses which are immediately disproved by the wayland devs, and is really not listening to them..

[startzz]

Well, thats what people "wants" - many different packages, that doesnt even work together because of the development style - one man army for each package It's not like windows or mac, where the whole os is made by one company as a job, not as home project

[Azpegath]

I could do a much better version of this demo within a couple of hours, on top of pure EGL/KMS without even requiring modified mesa drivers. I think I should start a new display server, too.

Great! Do it, and get back to us with a link. Github the shit out of it. I'm looking forward to seeing your result in a couple of hours!

[aavci]

I could do a much better version of this demo within a couple of hours, on top of pure EGL/KMS without even requiring modified mesa drivers. I think I should start a new display server, too.

[Azpegath]

... showcasing the (sad) state of the Mir client demo.

Why so glum and negative? When Wayland was in the same state, you described it as being "new and exciting, though just a proof-of-concept". Sure, there is a difference between stating something will be done within a year and saying something is a small proof-of-concept prototype. I don't think Canonical will be able to pull this off, just like they weren't able to use Wayland as the default display server for Ubuntu 12.10. But why shoot it down so early in the process?

... is written in C++, and utilizes Boost.

Yaaay! \o/

[chenxiaolong]

I think nobody but Canonical really gets what they're doing. I mean they make complaints about wayland but other than the initial announcement it's sounding like they never even actually talked to the wayland people, and the wayland people have disproven everything that has been brought up by Canonical so far as merely FUD by people who don't understand wayland, or X for that matter.. and yeah... The general conclusion seems to be that Canonical is doing it because it gives them control of the Display Server..

Here's a link to the IRC log another user posted (sorry, I forgot the username) of the session where the Mir devs are talking to the Wayland devs: http://pastebin.com/KjRm3be1

[who_me]

I think they'll dump Mir into 14.04 in whatever state it is by then. I still remember the 11.04 release with that horrible wacky Unity version with black background, later some dev from Canonical acknowledged they just dumped their latest snapshot of Unity onto users and called it "stable" and subject for further improvement.

So 14.04 won't be LTS, but rather TSR (the shitty release), and 16.04 should be good enough, that is true LTS.

At least one could avoid Unity and use any of the others. How the heck do you ignore Mir? Hopefully there will be guides to install X.org. I've no idea if the time frame they have set for themselves with Mir is realistic. Unity is good in 12.10 (for my needs) and they are working on ironing out the last kinks. It took till now for Unity to not suck but a replacement for X? Yikes.

[Luke_Wolf]

I really don't get what canonical is doing. Why is wayland not good anymore for their needs? Wayland should be perfect for their phone/tv/tablet needs?

I think nobody but Canonical really gets what they're doing. I mean they make complaints about wayland but other than the initial announcement it's sounding like they never even actually talked to the wayland people, and the wayland people have disproven everything that has been brought up by Canonical so far as merely FUD by people who don't understand wayland, or X for that matter.. and yeah... The general conclusion seems to be that Canonical is doing it because it gives them control of the Display Server..