Compiz Will Not Be Ported To Wayland

[Awesomeness]

So if Compiz is out on account of fragmentation, that just leaves KWin, Mutter, Metacity, Xfwm, Openbox, Enlightenment, and a variety of much smaller projects. And those are just the tiling WMs!

I definite get the perspective of the fragmentation being bad. Having the QT / GTK split between KWin and Mutter seems inevitable, but I hope that the non-platform centric WMs can converge around Openbox, it seems to have the most traction.

Before posting such dumb comments, read the actual blog post first: He's not talking about X11 window managers. He talks about Wayland which currently has only one and that's Weston.

Also, without Compiz, how is Unity supposed to run on Wayland?

Also for you: Read the blog post before asking stupid questions. But I am a nice person and answer that anyway: By porting Unity to Weston and if all those Phoronix stories about Ubuntu and Wayland are any indication, that's exactly what Canonical is doing.

I guess they could switch to Mutter?

Why would they switch to Mutter? Mutter does not even work under Wayland. Currently only Weston does!

[zanny]

If there is one problem that has set Linux progress back - be it on the server or the desktop, is the OS fragmentation. This fragmentation is fueled by the ginormous egos and hubris of developers who actually think they "invent" something new by doing it "their" way instead of coming together in groups of 6-12 developers at most for any given project and agreeing, by vote if necessary, on how to proceed with any project that is needed and fills a need.

I'm not proposing a solution as I have none, short of asking developers to unite - a utopian dream at best..... But this has bugged me more than anything else about Linux, the reinventing the wheel, over and over and over, and actually believing and drinking one's own Kool-Aid....

I think the worst part is we reinvent the wheel (compositors, audio engines, text editors, terminals, etc) without making one sony vegas quality non-linear video editor, not keeping GIMP up to snuff against photoshop, not making sure Blender is better than Maya, and not keeping any of the dozens of FOSS game engines up to snuff against competitors like Unreal 3.

Too much effort is put into repeating the same work on the same things that, albeit, are essential to the desktop experience, but there is a significant lack of end-user products that can compete and draw new recruits to Linux space instead of everyone just sitting on Windows due to software.

[MartinN]

This is Linux's #1 problem above all others

If there is one problem that has set Linux progress back - be it on the server or the desktop, is the OS fragmentation. This fragmentation is fueled by the ginormous egos and hubris of developers who actually think they "invent" something new by doing it "their" way instead of coming together in groups of 6-12 developers at most for any given project and agreeing, by vote if necessary, on how to proceed with any project that is needed and fills a need.

I'm not proposing a solution as I have none, short of asking developers to unite - a utopian dream at best..... But this has bugged me more than anything else about Linux, the reinventing the wheel, over and over and over, and actually believing and drinking one's own Kool-Aid....

[Delgarde]

I guess they could switch to Mutter?
It's in a much better state than it was 2 years ago.

Yeah, in hindsight, moving away from Mutter was a bad call for Ubuntu. True, Mutter wasn't performing well at the time, but it wasn't long before the Gnome devs addressed most of those problems.

[ShadowBane]

They are building a walled garden by the means of another walled garden(Qt).

Yes, an open source (licensed for both GPL and LGPL) library is quite the walled garden... *insert remark about how GPL and LGPL both protect the freedom to do what you want with the code*

[funkSTAR]

Most sad part about the skunkwork. The wording makes you feel they are proud of it and they expect you to be excited. "Hey we are doing some secret shit and you cant peek at the code, now please go use our CAed shit-interface called Unity we promise we share every keystroke with Amazon!"

I really hope for a market penetration like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anf2qEjec3U

And FAIL factor like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3N04Z3W4uc

Anyone buying into this shit is dumb.

[funkSTAR]

You're weird.

Why? That is what is happening.

Canonical doing skunkwork which contains some Qt.

http://mhall119.com/2012/12/a-sneak-peak-inside-ubuntu-skunkworks/

Systemd merging up nss-myhostname

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=f274ece0f76b5709408821e317e87aef76123db6

systemd purging maintainership for distro-specific shit

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=46a2911bf2780f616396df5671dd901cc7cb54fd

There you have it. the linux world is fragmenting more than ever. The systemd guys(more than LP and Kay) makes systemd more distro agnostic and merges up other boot/session-related stuff. To save maintainership for anyone who wants a generic core OS without any walled gardens. Canonical on the other hand is doing the total opposite; They are building a walled garden by the means of another walled garden(Qt).

[Krysto]

Good call.

[johnc]

Yeah. Qt is as shitty, shady and all about CA&skunkworks like Canonical. It is like the perfect dating match. I really hope they will marry! They probaly end like that anyway. It seems like the latest mergeup in systemd land is heading towards a CoreOS which doesnt suits Mr Skunkworths evil plans. A just and fair payback from RH. Lolz.

You're weird.

[newwen]

Cannonical wants to run Ubuntu on TVs and smartphones, so Qt seems to be the best option to them. They wouldn't have to split resources to work on gtk desktop and Qt everywhere else like yhey're doing right now.

They've said that QML/QT is targeted only at the "phone/mobile" side. They still recommend and support gtk for desktop apps.